Good samaritan gets gunned down trying to help a
a vehicle stuck in the snow. If only a good guy with a gun was there.
http://www.wbtv.com/story/31035863/sheriff-good-samaritan-fatally-shot-after-stopping-to-help-driver
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...such a person could remember to breathe. 
Having one's logic completely clouded by a belief system doesn't make one stupid, it just makes one a "true believer". Life doesn't work that way. To pick a plan that achieves a goal you need to shed your blind belief. My family helped a friend in need for a stretch and, when times improved, my wife suggested the idea of saving money for a 'rainy day' and stockpiling both human and kitty food. The response was "God will always take care of me." My response was "Then why look for a job; why work? Just go to your door; say a prayer, holding your wallet up to the sky and yell, "Fill 'er up."
The kind of answers I see from the 'true believer' group convince me that they've stumbled across the words of someone they find trustable and accept them even in the face of logic and reason. My wife has friend who thinks most people shouldn't have guns. Her friend says things like, "The government needs to come and 'sweep the streets' for guns." She's never forthcoming with any descriptions of how that could be plausible.
There are also many politicians who actually espouse disarming a variety of people from the general public.
Then there are those politicians who will say what appeals to the 'true believers' just to get their votes. They either know confiscation will never really happen and their words are just posturing or they simply don't even care.
I believe there are some REAL control advocates but the others often cloud the issue. 
Since their reason for advocating control is belief rather than logic, there is little chance any argument will change any of their related opinions. I note that within the Father and son thread, one exchange came down to this:
No amount of realism introduced will have any effect:
- that won't happen >> doesn't matter/don't care;
- I infer: Gun owners can fix the gun violence problem themselves or I'll simply continue stamping my feet and demanding that mommy take away their toys. How could anyone argue with such a mature attitude?
- converting a suicide by gun to other means isn't helping anything >> the TBs apparently like the whack-a-mole game
- I infer: They don't know if they should believe that; they don't care about suicide attempts; guns are the focus; reasoning non-congruent with "guns are the problem" is non sequitur.
- guns don't "wear out" like a pair of bedroom slippers >> I'll still get a gun out of the public's hands
- I infer: Every year one gun out of every 6,000 is stolen and now in criminal hands, screw the other 5,999 of you.
So what should be the response to the TBs ("true believers"
?
Many in the UK have been disarmed. Robberies are rather routine and folks don't resist for fear of being hurt. Was St Augustine wrong? "Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."
