NC woman accused of pulling gun at restaurant over wrong chicken wings

[SecularMotion]

WILMINGTON, N.C. – A North Carolina woman faces charges after she allegedly pulled a gun at a restaurant over a wrong order of chicken wings.

WECT reported that Clarissa Gagum, 24, was arrested Thursday in connection to an incident at the FU WANGZ restaurant in Wilmington.

The suspect is accused of walking into the restaurant and ordering bone-in chicken wings.

Authorities said when she received boneless wings, she started arguing with the clerk and went to her car to get a gun.

http://myfox8.com/2016/04/29/nc-woman-accused-of-pulling-gun-at-restaurant-over-wrong-chicken-wings/

[sakabatou]

1. WTF?

[beergood]

14. would have been funnier

if you replied with 'oro'

[sakabatou]

15. XD

So you're a fan too?

[beergood]

17. of course

i cos played as him and crono https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger for san diego comic con.

[sakabatou]

21. Nice.

My girlfriend says I should cosplay Aizen.

[beergood]

22. give it a shot

its fun.

i need to watch bleach, only saw a couple of episodes when i used to watch adult swim at my friends place.

[sakabatou]

25. Maybe but I hate having long hair

I've seen all of Bleach.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

54. What is cosplay?

[sarisataka]

56. You have to get out more Top

the practice of dressing up as a character from a movie, book, or video game, especially one from the Japanese genres of manga and anime.

[Helen Borg]

2. I can understand her

it is very frustrating to get the wrong wings

[rpannier]

4. Yep

I can't tell you the number of times I've received the wrong order of something and being a good guy, I went and got my gun to fix the problem

[stone space]

3. If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:13 AM - Edit history (1)

And, no.

I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life.

She's got a gun!

In a restaurant!

Holy shit!

I'm outta' there!

[Puha Ekapi]

23. So you'd

pull a Dine and Ditch even if the person was no threat to you. What an upstanding citizen.

[Duckhunter935]

27. Sounds like a petty thief to me

Get a service and not pay for it, theft

[pintobean]

55. Jury results

On Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sounds like a petty thief to me
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=191114

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> Sounds like a petty thief to me

Do not call your fellow posters "petty thieves".

That's an unprovoked personal insult.

Please hide.



You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:16 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's an accurate description of this hypothetical situation.
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster didn't directly call anyone a thief. He/she is describing what theft is. And "unprovoked" is a misused term here, as well.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If they are going to leave without paying for the food that is theft. Maybe people who advocate for that should be the ones getting alerted.

[sarisataka]

58. Not the expected result I'm sure

[Duckhunter935]

65. Nope

[Duckhunter935]

64. Thank you

Looks like he lost on his alert.

[stone space]

43. Dine and dash? Is that what you call running for my life?

So you'd

pull a Dine and Ditch even if the person was no threat to you. What an upstanding citizen.

[Puha Ekapi]

49. Why would you be running for your life?

What do you do when you see a rifle in the gun rack of a pickup truck?

[stone space]

61. You claim that the woman with the gun in the OP was no threat.

Prove it.

[Puha Ekapi]

108. Ummmmm....no

I made no such claim.

[stone space]

112. 23. "So you'd pull a Dine and Ditch even if the person was no threat to you."

Ummmmm....no

I made no such claim.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

122. Post moved...

To the bottom of the page.

[Puha Ekapi]

125. Here is what you posted

If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.

You said "somebody" with a gun, to which I replied, "even if they are no threat?"

[stone space]

128. The context to our conversation is quite clear. A little honesty would be nice.

First, the OP article, to which I directly responded.

NC woman accused of pulling gun at restaurant over wrong chicken wings

WILMINGTON, N.C. – A North Carolina woman faces charges after she allegedly pulled a gun at a restaurant over a wrong order of chicken wings.

WECT reported that Clarissa Gagum, 24, was arrested Thursday in connection to an incident at the FU WANGZ restaurant in Wilmington.

The suspect is accused of walking into the restaurant and ordering bone-in chicken wings.

Authorities said when she received boneless wings, she started arguing with the clerk and went to her car to get a gun.

She returned to the restaurant and started waving the gun in the air, according to WECT. Police found her outside the restaurant with the gun.

Gagum faces two counts of assault by pointing a gun and injury to personal property. She was jailed under a $30,000 bond.

Her husband faces a charge of resisting arrest and was jailed under a $500 bond.

My response to the article in the OP was this:

If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.

And, no.

I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life.

She's got a gun!

In a restaurant!

Holy shit!

I'm outta' there!

Your response to my post was this blatant lie, claiming that not only would I be a thief simply for running for my life, but also claiming that her gun posed no threat:

So you'd pull a Dine and Ditch even if the person was no threat to you. What an upstanding citizen.

[Puha Ekapi]

137. Get your thoughts together...

...you're as clear as mud. You didn't identify the subject of the OP as someone you'd run from, rather you said if you saw "somebody" with a gun, that you'd "run for your life". Why would you run for your life if you saw "somebody" with a gun? What would you do if you saw a rifle in the gun rack of a pickup truck?

[stone space]

138. Who is "she"? Did you read the OP that I was responding to or not?

You didn't identify the subject of the OP as someone you'd run from, rather you said if you saw "somebody" with a gun, that you'd "run for your life".

If I see somebody with a gun in a restaurant, I'm leaving in a big hurry.

And, no.

I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life.

She's got a gun!

In a restaurant!

Holy shit!

I'm outta' there!

Who did you think I was talking about?

Veronica Dunnachie?

Veronica Dunnachie wasn't even mentioned in the OP article.

(May her victims rest in peace.)

[Puha Ekapi]

139. Since you seem to have a comprehension problem....

...or simply wish to avoid giving a straight answer, let's rephrase the question: If you saw some person, any person, in a restaurant with a firearm, would you "run for your life"? If so, why? What would you do if you saw someone with a rifle in the gun rack of their pickup?

[Straw Man]

157. I asked the same question.

He won't answer it.

[dlwickham]

143. I'm not psychic

I have no idea what she's going to do so I'm getting the hell out of there if I can

[Puha Ekapi]

51. Comedy gold...

...no wonder nobody takes you guys seriously, you are too busy cracking jokes

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

53. So you run up a large bill, order drinks, dessert...

...and I'll walk in with a rifle slung over my shoulder while you are waiting for the check.

What a way to save money!

[stone space]

60. If you do that, I'm running away and dialing 911.

...and I'll walk in with a rifle slung over my shoulder while you are waiting for the check.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

72. I'm joking.

I don't carry rifles.

[Duckhunter935]

134. from last year

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7250732

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

24. Good luck with that n/t

[Duckhunter935]

26. So again you admit you would commit theft

And deny your server a paycheck who works their ass off for much less pay than you make off the public teet

[stone space]

44. Why are you lying about me?

So again you admit you would commit theft

And deny your server a paycheck who works their ass off for much less pay than you make off the public teet

[Duckhunter935]

45. Its not a lie when you post yourself

That you would leave without paying for the services provided. That helps to pay that low paid server his or her wages. Too bad since you probably make many more times their hourly wage.

[stone space]

59. Again, you are lying. The check can be paid anytime.

There is no need to risk ones life just in order to do it during an emergency situation.

[Duckhunter935]

62. Of course you did not bother

To post you would go back to pay but you did make sure you posted you would leave without paying. Nice try to walk it back but you have a history of several threads where you stated you would walk ouy without paying and never once until now that you are being called out once again do you come up with this little gem.

[stone space]

66. You lied, plain and simple. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

68. Keep saying that if it makes you happy

I put my trust in the DU members that read your own words.
I guess you could self delete or edit to try and hide them. I would be embarrassed to post that I would leave without paying for a service provided and stiffing the aait staff of some of the pay they work so hard for.

[stone space]

69. Your guns don't give you the right to lie. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

70. How have I lied, link to the lie please?

I just posted that in my opinion, leaving without paying for services renderedrendered is theft and if someone did that in my opinion they would be a common thief. If the shoe fits....

[stone space]

77. Your claim that running away in an emergency is theft is a blatant lie. (nt)

[beevul]

71. So what gives you the right then?

So what gives you the right then?

[Duckhunter935]

73. Good one

[stone space]

92. We all have a right to run away from guns.

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

93. I'm not sure what you mean here

Please rephrase.

[gejohnston]

94. I thought it was a different right

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

99. If the gun is being waved around...

...I would go outside.

[gejohnston]

100. so would I Shirt,

I think your cursor needs to be sighted in.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

120. "Shirt....."

Now I see the USAF logo!

I see why you used that term.

For those reading this...

It comes from an old story about how the 'top' NCO got the first (nicest) shirt in the shipment during WWII, I believe.

Thank you.

[gejohnston]

165. I was a 13B for a couple of years

before switching to the AF for twenty. My AF TI did basically the same thing. He had a CIB from Vietnam and reminded me a lot of the drill sergeants I had at Ft Sill.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

166. Ft Sill...

Ever been to Medicine Park?

[gejohnston]

167. no

I was there mostly for basic and AIT. I didn't get out much. I do remember my training company was First Battalion in the WW2 era buildings. Being young and dumb, I do remember the GI trap bars on "the strip".

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

168. Now they have...

...really modern buildings for basic.

The ground floor (behind the offices, facing the back) is a sheltered drill deck open on the sides.

Great place to hold formation.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

169. Medicine Park, OK

[beevul]

109. What gives you the right to lie? N/T

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

121. Who?

This post is getting confusing.

[beevul]

152. I was referring to Stonespace. N/T

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. Oh and carrying some spare pants might be a good idea n/t

[Warpy]

35. I'm with you, but I'd probably take the time to tuck money under my plate

I've lived on tips and will never stiff a wait person.

[Duckhunter935]

41. That poster brags about stiffing on the check

In many posts and gets mad when you call him what he would be, a common thief.

[stone space]

46. Please stop lying about me.

That poster brags about stiffing on the check

[Lurks Often]

47. Why are you lying about what you posted?

"Star Member stone space (4,818 posts)
3. If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:13 AM - Edit history (1)
And, no. I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life. She's got a gun! In a restaurant! Holy shit!
I'm outta' there!"

Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.

[stone space]

48. All you got is lies and threats.

Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.

Do you have anything besides lies and threats?

[Lurks Often]

75. More lies from you. Why are you a chronic liar here?

Because that is exactly what is going to happen if you run from the restaurant without paying. Nothing I posted is a lie or threat.


"Star Member stone space (4,818 posts)
3. If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:13 AM - Edit history (1)
And, no. I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life. She's got a gun! In a restaurant! Holy shit!
I'm outta' there!"

Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.

[stone space]

76. Why do Zimmerman supporters like you feel the need to threaten folks who run from your guns?

Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.

[Lurks Often]

78. No one has threatened you with anything, why are you paranoid?

What I posted is exactly what is going to happen to you. If you leave without paying unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.

[Duckhunter935]

80. He has said the same thing in other threads

He brags how he will leave without paying, even if the firearm is slung or holstered.

[Lurks Often]

82. And when called on it, whines and says all of us are liars

even when we link to his very words. It can't be easy being a paranoid, lying potential thief when going to a restaurant.

[Duckhunter935]

84. Well I did have put a block on his

Unsolicited messages to me. I asked him to stop several times. He called me a liar in a thread so I posted them for all to see. He then went to Skinner to complain but he said, too bad, you wrote them, lol!

[Lurks Often]

88. I saw, someone probably needs to see some psychiatric help to deal with issues

[Duckhunter935]

89. I would not go that far

But he does tend to be extreme in his insults and has been on several vacations for them.

[Eleanors38]

158. Yes, knowing the high standards of psychological analysis in DU.

[edbermac]

153. Jury results

On Sun May 1, 2016, 01:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Why do Zimmerman supporters like you feel the need to threaten folks who run from your guns?
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[CompanyFirstSergeant]

154. Actually...

"Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat"

I someone uses deadly force, no matter the circumstances, they are going for a (not very friendly) ride.

It will be handled as a criminal investigation until the DA decides not to seek a grand jury indictment.

Or the grand jury decides not to indict.

Or the jury finds the defendant 'not guilty.'

You NEVER try to convince a police officer of ANYTHING.

Anyone who took Cop TV Show 101 could tell you that.

[Duckhunter935]

50. your post, your words

I'm not taking time out to pay the check

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=191070

[stone space]

63. These are YOUR words, not MY words.

Sounds like a petty thief to me

Post #27.

Now stop lying about me.

[Duckhunter935]

67. It seems you lost on the alert

And the jury found my words to be accurate, sorry.

[stone space]

57. I figure that the check can be paid anytime after the emergency is over.

Timing isn't as important to me as keeping safe in an emergency situation.

[Straw Man]

103. Merely seeing a gun is not an emergency.

I figure that the check can be paid anytime after the emergency is over.

Timing isn't as important to me as keeping safe in an emergency situation.

The extent to which it is an "emergency" depends on what is being done with the gun. It will be incumbent on you to prove the existence of the emergency if you wish to avoid prosecution for leaving the restaurant without paying.

"I was going to come back and pay later" is not generally accepted as an excuse for dine-and-dash, so much will depend on whether the staff and other patrons of the restaurant will verify the emergency.

[stone space]

111. Bullshit.

The extent to which it is an "emergency" depends on what is being done with the gun. It will be incumbent on you to prove the existence of the emergency if you wish to avoid prosecution for leaving the restaurant without paying.

"I was going to come back and pay later" is not generally accepted as an excuse for dine-and-dash, so much will depend on whether the staff and other patrons of the restaurant will verify the emergency.

You can support this sort of behavior if you want.

But I am under no obligation to risk my life just because right wing asshole on the internet supports this sort of bullshit.

WILMINGTON, N.C. – A North Carolina woman faces charges after she allegedly pulled a gun at a restaurant over a wrong order of chicken wings.

WECT reported that Clarissa Gagum, 24, was arrested Thursday in connection to an incident at the FU WANGZ restaurant in Wilmington.

The suspect is accused of walking into the restaurant and ordering bone-in chicken wings.

Authorities said when she received boneless wings, she started arguing with the clerk and went to her car to get a gun.

She returned to the restaurant and started waving the gun in the air, according to WECT. Police found her outside the restaurant with the gun.

Gagum faces two counts of assault by pointing a gun and injury to personal property. She was jailed under a $30,000 bond.

Her husband faces a charge of resisting arrest and was jailed under a $500 bond.

[Straw Man]

113. First of all ...

But I am under no obligation to risk my life just because right wing asshole on the internet supports this sort of bullshit.

... are you calling me a "right wing asshole"?

Secondly, I don't support this woman's behavior at all. She deserves to be charged for it. Furthermore, no one on this thread has supported it.

I have repeatedly asked you to clarify what exactly you would consider an "emergency." Originally, you suggested that merely seeing a gun in public place would qualify. Since you live in a state that allows open carry with a permit, this could embroil you in some sticky situations, like unwarranted 911 calls and dine-and-dash charges in restaurants. So I'm asking you once more to clarify what constitutes a firearms "emergency" in your mind?

[stone space]

115. Your threats will not stop me from calling 911.

Since you live in a state that allows open carry with a permit, this could embroil you in some sticky situations, like unwarranted 911 calls and dine-and-dash charges in restaurants. So I'm asking you once more to clarify what constitutes a firearms "emergency" in your mind?

Knock off the bullying.

[Straw Man]

116. I'm not threatening anyone with anything.

Nor am I "bullying" you. I simply asked you a question. Would you like to answer it?

[TeddyR]

140. Not likely to get any sort of reasonable response

[Puha Ekapi]

147. Asking stoney....

...a simple question is "bullying", apparently.

[Chemisse]

5. Well at least she didn't go in the wrong bathroom!

So the children are safe.

[beergood]

19. lol

good one

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

6. And Texas will let students carry guns to class

1. Class discussions cause arguments.

2. Guns end arguments.

I don't see any problem, do you?

[DonP]

20. Well, they've allowed in in Colorado for 12 years so far. What's their student related death toll?

Isn't that the same "argument" we heard over concealed carry in general for all 50 states?

We were assured that there would be shootings over parking spaces, road rage incidents would skyrocket, people would shoot it out in the produce departments.

Yet ... none of that ever seems come to pass and the violent crime rate continues to reach record lows, according to the FBI.

Some people never get tired of being wrong and looking out of touch with reality.

[WhiteTara]

33. Just last Sunday in church a man killed another over a seat

in a pew. So, parking places wouldn't be a stretch.

[DonP]

36. You must have better sources than I do. So the guy was a lawful concealed carry permit holder?

I didn't see that in any of the reports so far.

Or in your mind there is no difference between a law abiding citizen and a criminal with a gun?

How about some examples of Colorado students with permits committing crimes? Must be a lot after 12 years, right?

[WhiteTara]

39. Yes, he was a concealed carry permit holder

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Worshiper-Charged-With-Manslaughter-in-Deadly-Church-Shooting-in-Montgomery-County-377465671.html

In interviews with police, witnesses watched Storms walk over to Braxton, show him a badge and motion to a handgun under his shirt. The badge, police said, was for his concealed carry permit. Braxton exchanged words with Storms before punching him in the jaw. Storms then pulled out his gun and fired two shots, according to witnesses.

Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Worshiper-Charged-With-Manslaughter-in-Deadly-Church-Shooting-in-Montgomery-County-377465671.html#ixzz47LfwXtMk
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[procon]

34. You don't need to fire a gun to scare people.

Guns are powerful symbols of authority and violence in our civilization. People are intimidated and frightened by guns in unexpected public places. Guns make most people feel threatened and vulnerable. You might discount the psychological and emotional impact that guns have on some people. There are well used rationales that pop up in defence of openly displaying guns in public, and people are never an important consideration. Perhaps it gives you some degree of satisfaction to see how strangers respond when you wield that implied lethal power and dominate the scene, but you have no idea the problems you and your guns leave behind.

[DonP]

37. Ummm, we're talking about concealed carry, not open carry

Now what does your post have to do with concealed carry, where no one knows you are carrying a gun?

How intimidating is something you don't know is there?

But stick around, I'm sure they'll be an open carry thread you can psychoanalyze via remote control for everyone shortly.

[procon]

40. Your assertions don match the OP where the article clearly states

that a customer "pulled a gun at a restaurant". Is that code, I don't know, is that what you consider concealed? Guns always seems to be accompanied by more excuses and more insults in search of validation. I don't care about you or anyone else who brings a gun to a public setting. I do care about the people I love who have been -- and still are -- traumatised by guns because some thoughtless, self centered gun bully caused them to relive their terrors.

[Duckhunter935]

28. Yes, over 21 and have had background checks

And firearms conceeled carry training. Other states have been doing that fot many years.

[Straw Man]

38. Yes, they will.

And Texas will let students carry guns to class

1. Class discussions cause arguments.

2. Guns end arguments.

I don't see any problem, do you?

I've been teaching for 35 years. I've experienced lots of arguments arising from class discussions. I've never seen one -- not one -- that escalated to physical violence.

So no, I don't see any problem.

[Eleanors38]

159. Umm, not really. I taught college-level government for 3 years. Guns was a hot topic...

along with aborton rights, gay rights, the War on Drugs®, and dirty movies. In one class, two police officers brought in several firearms to explain the differences as they related to the law; two examples were full-auto, including one owned at one time by LBJ. We were a civilized lot. No fights broke out, although I got one complaint about using the movie The Exorcist as an example of how reality can systematically break down in favor of religious practices and the super natural.

[IdaBriggs]

7. This is one of the reasons I don't have guns in my house -- the temptation

to use them over STUPID things.

I also spent EIGHT YEARS trying to get pregnant, and hand to heaven, there was one hormonal moment when I wanted to behave EXTREMELY inappropriately because the staff at a pizza place screwed up the order and then wouldn't come to the counter where they could see me patiently standing because they were talking about a new (hair) blow dryer.

No guns in my house.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

8. No one on the pro-2A side...

....has ever not respected a person who decides firearms ownership is not for them.

It is a huge responsibility.

If they do show a lack of respect for your position, I disagree with them entirely.

[IdaBriggs]

9. Thank you. I didn't realize I was posting my

response in a protected group - I clicked from Greatest Page.

[SecularMotion]

10. This is not a protected group

[Duckhunter935]

30. Yes unlike the group you host

This group allows and actually invites all viewponts.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

11. Protection?

We don't need no stinkin' protection...

Every law abiding opinion is welcome as far as I am concerned.

You are welcome anytime.

[SecularMotion]

12. There are limits

One more thing: Don't push your luck.

The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints." Members who demonstrate a pattern of disruptive behavior over time and end up getting too many of their posts hidden by the jury (measured by raw number or percentage) may be found to be in violation of our Terms of Service. If you seem to be ruining this website for a large proportion of our visitors, if we think the community as a whole would be better off without you here, if you are constantly wasting the DU Administrators' time, if you seem to oppose the mission of DU, or if the DU Administrators just don't like you, we will revoke your posting privileges. Remember: DU is supposed to be fun — don't make it suck.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Duckhunter935]

31. You forget, you do not host this group

Please quit playing host, maybe you should spend time hosting your own group. I know, not enough traffic to bother

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

52. Who is this guy????

[Duckhunter935]

74. He hosts the other gun group

However this is his favorite grouo with close to 1000 Google Drive by posts that he refuses to to discuss or respond to. Sometimes he thinks he is the host here and tries to intimidate posters.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

95. Oh.

I am banned from the 'other' group.

No matter, it's a moonscape over there anyway.

[Duckhunter935]

101. They are afraid of any discussion

And your block is normal, click the "about this group" button at the top of both groups. That is why the otber group is known as castle bansalot. You right on how incredibly busy it is over there.

[SecularMotion]

79. He's my stalker

He's a disruptive poster who has been blocked from at least 4 groups on DU.

A bad egg.

[Duckhunter935]

83. Lol, nothing like posting insults

When true facts are pointed out.

[SecularMotion]

86. I was going to add BernieBro

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:19 PM - Edit history (1)

but I didn't want the post to be hidden.

[Duckhunter935]

87. Whats it matter

There is an amnesty now so you can insult to your hearts content. As you know, I tend not to alert so I can show who is doing the insulting and leave those posts open for all to see.

Have a great one

[beergood]

13. this

appears to be the only group that doesn't ban people just because they have a different opinion.

i would like to thank the group host/s and other posters for being so open minded.

[Duckhunter935]

32. Yes, the host here is awesome

[pablo_marmol]

18. Were this a protected group you wouldn't be posting in this thread......

........because this thread wouldn't exist.

[Duckhunter935]

42. I think sometimes he truly

Either forgets where he is or actually thinks he is a host here.

[pablo_marmol]

16. The OP is a great example of how this issue harms Democrats.

The exception is repeated over and over with the dishonest/infantile hope that it will be perceived as the norm.

[GreydeeThos]

81. It was a restaurant - surely they have a can of beans to deal with this lady.

The cook could come up with a can of spray oven cleaner to dish out discipline and end the threat in no thyme.

[Duckhunter935]

85. Could have been bike tires outside too

[beergood]

164. lol

that was punny

[beardown]

90. A gun is at best the second most dangerous thing to you in most restaurants

Seriously, you are much more likely to get a bad case of food poisoning in a restaurant than get shot.

If you are going to run out of a restaurant because of the threat of seeing a gun, why would you even go into a restaurant and eat and expose yourself to many magnitudes of likely harm to your body by food poisoning?

And don't think that "it's just food poisoning". Recent studies have shown that many thousands of Americans a year suffer years long, if not life long, problems from restaurant food poisoning. It can impact your kidneys and other organs and permanently degrade your health and well being.

[SecularMotion]

91. You're comparing food poisoning to being shot with a gun, seriously?

Bullets are composed of a casing enclosing an explosive powder charge, which, on striking, forces the end projectile element out at speeds of up to 1,500 metres/second, dependent on the ammunition and type of gun. The most important factors in causing significant injury or death are their placement and projectile path. The head and torso are the most vulnerable areas, with incapacitation due to CNS disruption or massive organ destruction and haemorrhage.[1] The extent of tissue and organ trauma will depend on terminal ballistics, which are influenced by the type of bullet, its velocity and mass as well as the physical characteristics of the penetrated tissue.

Injury is inflicted in a number of ways:

Firstly, the projectile crushes structures along its track, similar to other forms of penetrating injury. Temporary cavitation causes shearing and compression, sometimes tearing structures (as with solid abdominal viscera) or stretching inelastic tissue (the brain is particularly susceptible), analogous to blunt trauma. As tissues recoil and hot gases dissipate, soft tissue collapses inwards with the permanent cavity being the resultant defect.[2] Bullets which display greater yaw will be associated with increased temporary cavitation.
Secondly, kinetic energy transfer occurs during retardation of the bullet and this may cause damage outside the tract. Factors influencing the efficiency of kinetic energy transfer include:
Kinetic energy of a body which is proportional to mass and velocity.
Projectile's deformation and fragmentation.
Entrance profile and path travelled through the body.
Biological characteristics of the transit tissues.

http://patient.info/doctor/gunshot-injuries

[beardown]

156. Yes. In a threat assessment way.

If seeing a gun in a restaurant is enough of a threat to make you leave then the real threat of getting food poisoning should prevent you from even entering the restaurant in the first place, just from a numbers perspective. In 2011, CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases. These are only cases that reach the CDC and other recent studies estimate 1 in 4 Americans a year get food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning that occur up to 12 months after being infected are missed in the estimates.

It's like when people are asked to name the most dangerous animals to people. Lion. Shark. Wolf. Meanwhile, mosquitoes kill hundreds of times as many people as all major predators. Guns are visible. The Salmonella and Campylobacter on that slime burger, not so much.

Now perceived danger is different. I've known folks that won't wear a seat-belt because they don't want to be trapped in a car if it falls into a river or lake. What seems a reasonable response to a threat to one person is not so reasonable to another.

This woman was not just carrying a gun, she was waving it around. Not as bad as waving around the head of the waiter she just cut off and worse than waving around a bag of McNuggets.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

96. "the second most dangerous thing to you in a restaurant"

What about the mysterious....

...sticky stuff...

....in the 10 year old carpeting.

Nasty.

[stone space]

97. Do you defend her actions?

A gun is at best the second most dangerous thing to you in most restaurants

I'd leave immediately if somebody came into a restaurant and started waving their gun all around like that.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

98. If some one waved a gun around...

...I would get the heck out and use my car for cover.

[Straw Man]

104. I thought ...

I'd leave immediately if somebody came into a restaurant and started waving their gun all around like that.

... you would leave if you even saw a gun. That's what you said upthread. Now it's "waving their gun all around." Which is it?

[stone space]

105. Did you even bother to read the article?

[Straw Man]

106. Yes, I did.

I was referring directly to a general statement you made in your post. You did not refer to the article in that post.

This was your post before you edited it:

If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry. (nt)

So which is it? Do you run if you see a gun period, or only if someone is waving it around?

[stone space]

107. If you read the article, then you know what I was responding to.

This is really getting tedious.

We all know what article we are discussing here.

The link is in the OP.

[Straw Man]

110. I knew what you were responding to.

I'm now asking you to clarify the content of your response. You are refusing. That's what's tedious.

[stone space]

114. I'd run for my life.

I think that's pretty clear.

You can accept that or not.

Your choice.

But it won't change my actions.

I'm running.

[Straw Man]

117. If what?

Under what conditions would you run for your life? If you saw a gun on someone's belt? I'm asking you to clarify. There nothing for me to "accept" until you answer the question.

[stone space]

118. Read the OP.

Do I have to read it for you?

[Straw Man]

119. I read it. I've already told you that several times.

You said this:

If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry. (nt)

I asked you if this means any gun in a restaurant, including one on somebody's belt, simply being carried, not waved around.

This is not in reference to the situation described in the OP. I asked you a simple, direct question about a statement you made. You seem to be unable to answer it, but are instead engaging in repeated and nonsensical demands that I "read the OP."

I've read it. I asked you a question that is not directly related to it or to the specific situation it describes. I don't think that's particularly difficult to understand. It is a question about your statement above.

Now, would you care to answer it?

[Duckhunter935]

124. In other threads

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He has never used this qualifier. He has said he would skip out if he saw a weapon period, holstered or slung. He has also stated he would refuse to teach his class if a concealed carry weapon was present by a licensed person if it was legal in his state. He never could answer how he would know and he would encourage others to shut down that department even if it was legal and they were told to teach the courses they were hired and being paid for. He says we threaten him when we say he should then be fired.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7250732

Note to jury
1. I was not specific in what job the poster has

2. I will find the thread and post your exact quotes. For anyone, not just you, to refuse to do a job they are being paid to do but refusing to do over a legal activity, that person should be sanctioned and if that person continues to fail to perform as paid, yes fired for cause. That is not a threat directed at you personally.

[stone space]

129. This is disgusting, and should be hidden.

He says we threaten him when we say he should then be fired.

My real world employment is not an issue.

Knock it off.

[Duckhunter935]

130. I am sure you alerted on it

I will find the thread and post your exact quotes. For anyone, not just you, to refuse to do a job they are being paid to do but refusing to do over a legal activity, that person should be sanctioned and if that person continues to fail to perform as oaid, yes fires for cause. That is not a threat.

here is at least one
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7250732

[stone space]

131. My personal employment is not an issue in this thread, stalker. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

133. wow, stalker, how nice

you do know my little "my posts" button lights up when I get a response. That is not stalking.

Insults like that make you look very childish sir.

[Duckhunter935]

132. then do not bring it up

I just pointed out you have used that in other threads. If you had not brought up your job, it would not be an issue. You have in other threads and I just pointed that out. I did not say what you do or where. I also know that from other threads also. I was being very general for a reason and I think that is fair.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

135. Perhaps we should be using....

...the third person narrative...

"If an employee does not perform his/her job...."

Instead of using the second person 'you.'

[Duckhunter935]

136. Good point, top

[northernsouthern]

102. Don't f@ck up an order of chicken wings...

...that is a woman after my own heart, wings are something you don't mess up, I hope the cops were nice enough to let her finish them before taking her in.

[TeddyR]

141. Bet the wing orders

Are correct going forward!

[stone space]

144. Why? Everybody makes mistakes.

Bet the wing orders

Are correct going forward!

Why would you expect mistakes never to be made again?

[TeddyR]

145. No idea what you are talking about

[stone space]

146. You said this. I asked why you believe it.

Bet the wing orders

Are correct going forward!

[TeddyR]

148. Weird

Just weird

[stone space]

149. I thought it was inexplicably wierd, as well.

That's why I asked you.

What you said didn't make any sense to me, either.

[TeddyR]

170. No

I meant your post was weird.

[northernsouthern]

151. Lol, really?

Yes it is call PTSD, your brain has a built in, never gonna do that again switch.

[stone space]

161. I don't know much about PTSD and how it effects a worker's job performance.

Has there been research about how PTSD enhances worker productivity?

I would think that PTSD could just as easily have the opposite effect, making it more difficult for a worker to perform her job duties.

[northernsouthern]

163. You are missing the point.

This has a bit of sarcasm to it. I will never be bitten by a dog in the face again, but I also may be overly cautious while dealing with them. PTSD has many issues with it, flash backs are not fun, so it is not a good thing for work at all...but the person will not get the order wrong as much...they may just quit.

[northernsouthern]

150. Lol...

...I just got the image of the PTSD that this poor cashier will have from this point on. It is very wrong, but also very true that they may be the most attentive cashier or waiter in history going forward. I picked up a chocolate lab once for a vet and got bit in the face...I am way more cautious about bogs now than most people I know...I still love them, but sure as hell don't trust them.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

123. This thread has migrated from the 'Lady and the Chicken WIngs' scenario...

To Long Gun Open Carry in a Restaurant scenario.

I do not support...

....long gun open carry at all.

Except in the woods, or in a small town adjoining hunting lands. Such as my town.

I honestly do not think that being uncomfortable about the photo of the two yahoos in Burger King is unreasonable.

(I'm not sure if the photo is in this thread somewhere, but I am sure you have seen it recently.)

The photo did make me feel like thinking through the scenario, as good LEOs or military are trained to do.

I came up with - finding the manager and asking for an opinion. After my family goes to sit in the car.

My involvement would be - to call 911 if requested and stand fast for the police response.

If the manager was cool with the guns - I would ask for takeout and finish my meal at home.

I believe that these scenarios are cultural - some places do, some places don't.

If I were on the road and happened into a long gun open carry friendly region - I would have to rethink my reaction, just try to stick to places that are more upscale, perhaps, even if it costs more. People in suits and dresses usually do not carry rifles.

Where I am from, the 'rifle in a restaurant' scenario is no go.

[Duckhunter935]

126. The long gun open carry is mainly from Texas

As open carry of handguns was/is illegal. However it is legal to open carry long guns and they were being used as a protest.

Other than that, others that open carry long guns is just plain idiotic and actually backfires on the open carry movement. I do not favor open carry of any weapon but I can see it in a hot climate as it can be very difficult to properly conceal.

As far as a rifle at burger king scenario. It would be determined by each situation. Slung and behind back, magazine inserted, how is the person acting. In most cases, I do not think I would not leave or call 911 unless there was a threat beyond just a weapon.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

127. "open carry long guns is just plain idiotic and actually backfires"

Agreed.

[dlwickham]

142. boneless wings are nasty

little lumps of deep fried chicken but not sure if that's worth pulling a gun

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

155. They are not wings...

...they are just mystery meat.

[Eleanors38]

160. I go with chefs who say bone-in enhances flavor & confirms authenticity...

One sous chef always served bone-in cat fish, bringing it to the table within a minute of frying and gently pulling the meat off the bone in one motion. He did a cross-cut just forward of the tail before cooking. Just after cooking the cut serves as the "lever" point for a fork which easily tugs off the meat! Great bone-in flavor without getting speared in the throat.

[dlwickham]

162. you have to cook meat with the bone in

steak might be an exception but anything else, it should be law