NY, NJ lawmakers want ammunition sales restricted

[Eugene]

Source: Associated Press

NY, NJ lawmakers want ammunition sales restricted

AP foreign, Tuesday July 31 2012

VERENA DOBNIK

Associated Press= NEW YORK (AP) — Ten days after the Colorado movie theater massacre, federal lawmakers introduced a bill that would effectively ban people like suspect James Holmes from buying thousands of rounds of ammunition by mail or online.

"It's time to close the loophole that's allowing killers — deranged, insane — and even terrorists to buy ammunition online," said U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey.

He was joined Monday on the steps of City Hall in Manhattan by U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York to announce the Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act.

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Lautenberg said he and McCarthy, both Democrats, were "on a mission": to ensure the safety of all Americans by passing legislation that would close loopholes in gun laws allowing people like the suspect in the Aurora, Colo., shootings "to anonymously stockpile for mass murder."

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Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10363341

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

1. Thanks

It's reassuring to know that our legislators are hard at work wasting time and money on restrictions that serve no useful purpose.

[Oneka]

5. But, wait...

By god, Frank Lautenberg has discovered another LOOPHOLE!!!!!.

Why is it , that these lawmakers who want nothing more than to limit, or eradicate the rights of every American, can always find some regular mundane piece of business and somehow turn it into a LOOPHOLE?

[NewMoonTherian]

6. Loopholes are bad, right?

Nobody likes getting screwed over by a loophole. It's a great way to describe something you want to attack.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. I found this loophole...

...that allows jerks to serve in the Senate.

[virginia mountainman]

2. They are on a mission..

To hand the election over to the Repukes....

[Simo 1939_1940]

9. I believe that if President Obama is defeated by a very narrow margin in November

that it would be inaccurate to say that his actions w/regard to gun restriction caused the defeat, since there would be multiple factors at play.

I do believe that it would be accurate to assert that but for his bad decisions since '08 re. firearms and previous statements he'd likely have won.

While I don't believe that Republicons are celebrating the Aurora shooting, I certainly believe that they are celebrating our response to it.

I'm feeling more distressed by the day as the shrill, uninformed BS ushers forth from our side - from citizens and politicians alike.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

3. State issue, not Federal

They already live in fairly repressive states...they want to spread the misery

[petronius]

4. I'm afraid my memory must be slipping, because I'm unable to recollect an example

where controls on internet and/or bulk ammo sales would have prevented or even moderately impeded an act of crime or violence. Someone help me out, here...

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7. Reid is going to dope slap them into reality...

Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) made it clear last week that the Senate will not debate gun control before the election and even beyond that

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/30/13036595-democrats-announce-bill-to-limit-online-ammunition-sales?lite

[xxenderwigginxx]

8. I fail to see the point

So since Holmes would have been unable under this legislation to purchase ammo online, he would have gone to any gun store and purchased 6,000 rounds without question or I.D. (unless they doubted his age)
I don't know about you, but my "increased feeling of safety" meter just went to warm and fuzzy. Thanks NJ lawmakers

[Missycim]

17. lol

I am stealing that line

warm and fuzzy lol

[Oneka]

18. Don't do it!!!!

you will be falling for the second oldest trick in the book. The first of which we all know, is

"never go in against a Cicilian, when death is on the line".

But only slightly less well known, is::: never fall for the "warm and fuzzy, LOOPHOLE!!!!

[HALO141]

24. I'd rather loopholes were

of the not-fuzzy variety. lol


Just sayin.

[EX500rider]

10. Do they somehow think he fired all 6,000 rounds?

All he needed was 2 boxes of 50...having 5,900 back at the apt didn't matter squat

[ileus]

11. So exactly what are the worried about?

It's not "massive" amounts of ammo how many people have fired more than 100 rounds in a spree killing?

So what are they really worried about when they feel the need to limit your ammo?

[xxenderwigginxx]

12. Our law makers LOOOOVE

to appear to be "doing something" without actually accomplishing anything. Its called theater

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. Here's a question:

If all of Congress is in a room with James Holmes who has a gun, How many rounds of ammo will they vote to let him have? I'm guessing the number will be less than 535.

Next: How many guns and rounds of ammo will they allow each other to have while being sequestered with Mr Holmes and his arms? IMHO, that would be a good place to start for everyone.

[rDigital]

15. Keep banging

the gun control drum and you're handing the election to Romney.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

22. Welcome :) n/t

[rl6214]

16. Loophole, how the fuck is it a loophole. Online store, buy from online store, what's the problem?

This, by the way is after providing proof of age and an ID.

[ileus]

19. Lawmakers want to limit death spewer feed.

[aikoaiko]

20. Loophole doesn't mean what Lautenberg he thinks it means.

Its a pathetic bill.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

21. He used about $40 worth of ammunition available at any Walmart or gun shop in America.

The killer fired about 100 rounds.. (?) That's only a few boxes of cheap ammo easily avaibale @ ny gun shop or Walmart in the nation. You don't need internet sales to get that, especially when you consider he got his guns from a local gunshop.

The thought that this weak bill could have prevented this tradgedy indicates Lautenberg must have an IQ of about 75.

[ileus]

23. - or - 5

[krispos42]

25. Yeah, and how many rounds of ammo did Sideshow Bob expend?

He fired a few shots from the AR-15 until the gun jammed, then he emptied the shotgun (no more than 8 rounds) and a Glock handgun.

So he fired about 30 from the AR-15, 8 from the shotgun, and 15 from the Glock. Total: 53.

Sorry, guys, but rifle ammo comes in boxes of 20 rounds each, buckshot in 5-shell boxes, and handgun ammo in boxes of between 20 and 50.

Buying 2 boxes of rifle ammo, 2 boxes of buckshot, and a box of handgun ammo wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.


You don't need massive quantities of ammo to perform a mass shooting.

Our legislators are obsessing over stockpiles of ammunition when the last time there actually was a sustained siege against law enforcement was Waco and the Branch Davidians. It's not an issue. The people stock up are either end-of-the-world fanatics, at which point I'd rather they spend their money stockpiling ammo than donating to Republicans or their think tanks for their church; or they're sport shooters buying in bulk.