Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumMyths and Facts About Gun Violence in America
There are several myths circulating in the public dialogue about gun violence in America. As a foundation committed to research-based grant-making, the Joyce Foundation and our grantees are dedicated to presenting the facts about the threat of gun violence to public safety and public health:
Myth: There is decreasing public support for policy solutions to curb gun violence.
Fact: The majority of Americans support common-sense measures to prevent gun violence. For example, 86% of Americans support a measure requiring all gun buyers to pass a criminal background check, while 63% of Americans support a measure banning military-style assault weapons. In fact, even 74% of NRA members and 87% of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun. While public opinion polling by Gallup has shown decreasing support for "stricter gun laws," other polls show that Americans overwhelmingly support specific gun policy solutions.
http://www.joycefdn.org/myths-and-facts-about-gun-violence-in-america/
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Even those who don't belong support NRA, and applaud their sleazy lobbying efforts.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Remember. your intransigence is what will bring gun restrictions to your door.
You can either work with people or against them.
The NRA loses a peace of it's power every time their is mass killings like what happened twice in Colorado.
A few less right wing Justices and we have a new interpretation of 2A.
Now for more snark from the gun lobby.
Missycim
(950 posts)Its very rare for a USSC to over turn a ruling once stari decise (sp)? has been settled.
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)spell check failed me
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)Believe me, the only reason my docs aren't all read squigglies is because I spent law school adding all the stupid legal words to my spellcheck dictionary.
Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)Every time some authoritarian politician starts talking about gun bans gun sales got through the roof and the NRA gets more members
NewMoonTherian
(883 posts)Hopefully, any progressive justices we get will respect the original intent of the amendment, and not the sham the gun control lobby would have us believe.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)You want compromise? Fine. What are YOU prepared to give up?
You also forget that the NRA has only four million members- but their are eighty million gun owners in the US, and they vote at quite a high rate.
To think the NRA and the Republicans exclusively drive gun politics is a strategic error gun prohibitionists (and you ARE prohibitionists, despite the honeyed words you offer when
you think we've forgotten your history) seem intent on committing over and over again...
HALO141
(911 posts)Sooo... Our refusal to willingly submit to more control is what will instigate that control. Is that it?
If that's true (and I don't believe it is) then we're fucked either way so you'll understand if I decline to willingly stick my head in that proverbial noose.
"I mean to misbehave."
~ Malcolm Reynolds
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Missycim
(950 posts)if someone posts a story from a right leaning paper you attack the source, so I guess whats good for the goose....
krispos42
(49,445 posts)shadowrider
(4,941 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)http://www.gallup.com/poll/123596/in-u.s.-record-low-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx
Also election results tend to bear this out as well...
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)And he would know, he watched from the inside, as several election cycles "go away" because of gun control.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/24/for-obama-romney-and-america-gun-control-is-dead.html
Clames
(2,038 posts)You mean the ones tailored by the Brady Campaign or MAIG? Credibility: you still don't have it.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)complete with echo chamber, funding "research" and funding "constitutional scholarship" The use the same model as the right wing billionaires who fund the think tanks, buy bulk books to put scribblings by the likes of Ann Coulter on the best seller lists, and fund climate science denial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Foundation#Organizations_funded_by_the_Joyce_Foundation
I am not saying they are the same ideologically or any such thing. They just use the same propaganda model, just not as sophisticated or as well funded as the Kochs.
DonP
(6,185 posts)With the millions of $ they keep spending on failed gun control organizations and research, they should be experts on myths.
Hey, it's election season, shouldn't they be launching the new American Hunters & Sportsman's Association for this year?
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)From your link:
Fact: The majority of Americans support common-sense measures to prevent gun violence. For example, 86% of Americans support a measure requiring all gun buyers to pass a criminal background check, while 63% of Americans support a measure banning military-style assault weapons. In fact, even 74% of NRA members and 87% of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun. While public opinion polling by Gallup has shown decreasing support for "stricter gun laws," other polls show that Americans overwhelmingly support specific gun policy solutions.
The NRA does not oppose background checks. In fact the NRA helped design the NICS system and the legislation. Intrastate private sales are not in the perview of the federal government and is a state issue. Private sellers can't use the NICS system due to privacy issues.
Fact: Gun enforcement is critical, and law enforcement agrees. But even law enforcement believes that enforcement, without stronger laws, is not enough. The guns and ammunition used by the suspect in the Aurora shooting were all legally purchased under current law including a military-style assault weapon and 6,000 rounds of ammunition. Thats because existing gun laws are riddled with loopholes and gaps. For example, a 1994 law that banned the sale of military-style assault rifles was allowed to expire in 2004.
The 1994 AWB did not ban assault weapons. It merely banned some minor cosmetic features on some guns. That the Batman killer had 6,000 rounds of ammo is irrelevant. He fired only about 100. The other 5,900 did nothing.
Fact: The Harvard Injury Control Research Center has accumulated a considerable body of evidence about the relationship between gun availability and gun violence, concluding that more guns means more gun murders and more gun suicides.
In the past ten year about 100 million new guns have been sold, yet the murder rate continues to drop.
Fact: There is plenty of research that demonstrates the effectiveness of a wide range of gun laws, including laws restricting access to guns by domestic violence perpetrators, laws regulating the oversight of gun dealers, and laws regulating gun permits.
That depends upon which laws are being discussed. Some laws work, some don't.
Fact: Actually, gun ownership is significantly in decline in America, according to the General Social Survey, one of the leading sources of data in social science research. A vast majority of the American public do not own firearms.
Other Duers have previously posted other studies that show gun ownership to be rising.
Fact: There is no credible evidence that the carrying of hidden, loaded weapons decreases crime.
The Joyce Foundation is trying to dodge the question. The "myth" is not about the effect of CCW on crime, but on whether or not an armed citien might have been able to stop the carnage. There have been several mass shootings that have been stopped by armed citizens, and there have been crimes that have been stopped by armed citizens. There is a current thread about an old guy that helped the police in a shoot-out with a murderer. The old geezer (I can use that word. I am a geezer myself.) hit the bad guy five shots out of five at 165 yards with a handgun.
sarisataka
(18,755 posts)This is the evidence for gun control???
It is like saying they discovered water is wet. I am curious, did they locate any instances of gun murders and gun suicides that did not involve a gun?
I can do a study that shows the link between alcohol availability and alcohol abuse. I will conclude more alcohol leads to more alcohol related crime and death.
So lets bring back prohibition...