SC homeowner wakes up to home invader, fights back.

[ileus]

http://www.wltx.com/news/article/202346/2/Police-Irmo-Homeowner-Shoots-Intruder-


"Our suspect broke into our victim's house, the homeowner's house, through the kitchen window. Homeowner was at home asleep, about 9:30 this morning, heard the banging, out of fear for his safety obtained his pistol," says Bucks, "Went downstairs, was confronted by the unknown subject in the kitchen, was coming into the kitchen. Out of fear for his life, he shot the person twice."

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Remember people, your safety is job 1....be prepared trouble never makes an appointment.

[rickford66]

1. it works both ways

Back in the early 70's we were visiting in-laws who lived in an apartment complex in Atlanta Ga. Someone next door was locked out one night and was shot dead climbing in the window. Not everyone is an expert gunslinger. Just having a gun isn't enough. Every gun owner should have intense training if he or she wants to use it for self defense. I'm not anti-gun. I'm for responsible gun ownership and use.

[gejohnston]

2. and why flashlights mounted on pistols

are a good thing. That didn't require intense training, just safety 101: be sure of your target.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_safety#Be_sure_of_your_target_and_of_what_is_beyond_it

[ileus]

3. even wally world is carrying a pretty nice rail mount light.

[rDigital]

14. Tactical Democratization meets capitalism. nt

[MercutioATC]

4. We can all learn a lesson from this:

Defense loads and a heavier caliber.

[ileus]

7. probably another 380 carrier. LOL

XDs time.

[Clames]

13. Doesn't matter.

There are so many psychological and physiological factors involved. Same effect with .45 ACP could have been the outcome.

[trouble.smith]

19. this is why a lateral hit is better than an anterior center mass hit.

and another reason why a weaver type stance is better than the old one handed side stance.

[pipoman]

16. The first deer I ever shot

when I was 12, I hit directly under it's tail as it was running away from me (30-06). It ran 120 yards through moderately heavy brush before collapsing. When we field dressed it, it's heart was in pieces, and it's hindquarters were almost unusable.

[Eleanors38]

23. Also called a texas heart shot. Nt

[pipoman]

45. Never did that again..

it made me feel bad that so much meat was destroyed. Since then, if it isn't a standing shot, I don't take it.

[Trunk Monkey]

21. If we don't "Shoot to kill" why does he need a larger caliber?

We go to great lengths on this board to point out that we are shooting to stop the threat not kill the bad guy.

In this case it sounds like that’s exactly what happened the homeowner fired until the intruder ceased being a threat.

How would a larger caliber have changed that?

[Trunk Monkey]

31. Not sure how to search them

Have you not read all the posts on this board about how "we" (I don't know who "we" is either but that's the term used) shoot to stop the threat as opposed to trying to kill someone?

[Trunk Monkey]

33. OK now I get it NT

[MercutioATC]

36. We shoot to stop the threat. Stopping it quickly helps.

THIS person got shot twice and ran away. Somebody else may have been shot twice and, since those shots didn't seem to cause real incapacitation, kept coming.

Two shots center mass that don't immediately incapacitate indicate one or more of a few things:

1) Certain drugs in the subject's system

2) Lucky (for the person shot) shot placement

3) Insufficient damage done by rounds (either small caliber or non-defense rounds)


A larger caliber and/or defense rounds almost always help bring the threat to an immediate stop.

[Trunk Monkey]

42. Let me take another shot at this

I was trained to aim center mass and continue to fire as long as the target presented a threat.

Because that's my mindset, I don't see this as the home owner fired twice and stopped to see if two shots were enough I see it more as the homeowner fired twice and the intruder turned tail and ran.

Had the intruder continued the attack more shots could be fired and I don't see how a larger caliber handgun (which would still be a handgun and thus suboptimal) would have changed that equation.

I don't have a lot of faith in handguns as manstoppers

[MercutioATC]

46. Oh, in THIS situation, the caliber and loads were fine.

The threat was more "convinced to run away" than stopped, but the homeowner was no longer in danger.

My point is that the next intruder might not be as apt to run away. If somebody can take two rounds in the chest and then run across two yards before collapsing, I'm not certain that I'd want to rely on simply putting more rounds into them if they decided not to run away.

I agree that a shotgun is often a much better home defense weapon and will stop a threat much quicker. However, even a 9mm with a good defense load is adequate.

[Starboard Tack]

37. Why a larger calibre? Isn't the point to dissuade and stop the assailant/intruder?

Why the blood lust? Sounds like the homeowner succeeded without killing, hopefully.

[Starboard Tack]

41. That's pretty funny, you accusing me of being a troll.

Find one post of mine that is anti-gun. I actually like guns and enjoy shooting them, even handguns. I would not hesitate to shoot an armed intruder if I felt my life or another innocent's life was in danger.
I am fully aware that a larger calibre gun will be a more effective stopper. It will also cause much more damage and quite likely kill, which is something I have no desire to do. My purpose would be to stop the attack, or potential attack, not kill or cause unnecessary injury. My weapon of preference, if I felt the need, would be a 12 gauge shotgun, which would cause considerable damage at close range, but is a very intimidating of weapon to face. If I were to use a handgun, my choice would be a target pistol of moderate caliber. Apart from some hunting as a youth, my experience has been exclusively target shooting, mostly with a rifle or shotgun, and I am a pretty decent shot.

I would bring the threat to an immediate stop, believe me, and if someone died then that would be the luck of the draw rather than my intent. There are no guarantees in life. We do our best and hope we can live with it. I don't care how bad my attacker is, or how afraid I am, if I kill someone unnecessarily, that really sucks. That's how I roll. And I don't troll.

You mention trolling, yet you make blanket statements about me without reading my posts. That, sir, is the sign of a disruptor. You will find no posts of mine opposing gun ownership or using guns for home defense. You will find many critical of handguns and the indiscriminate carrying of handguns for supposed self-defense. As long as they are available, they should not be banned. As long as it is legal for some to carry, then all should be able to carry. I strongly discourage anyone from carrying without a really sound reason beyond the usual drivel about not being clairvoyant etc..

[Starboard Tack]

44. Reason for a 12 gauge shotgun

As I explained, it never needs to be fired and if it does, it's over. My personal reason, though, is because I would only own one if I were living in the boonies, where wild animals are a threat. It would double as protection from intruders. I'm fortunate enough to not need one at present. The marine environment is not really conducive to having guns around, except in certain waters.

It may seem inconsistent to you, but, as they say "size isn't everything" and in this sense the exception proves the rule. If a guy is coming at you with a gun, it doesn't matter what you use to shoot him with, but the more effective, the better. If he's coming at you with a knife, or a PEN, then a shot at or just in front of his feet will do the trick, if you have no Taser or CS.

[gejohnston]

40. I tend to think the larger the caliber, the easier it is to dissuade

which do you think would inspire an "on second thought"?

this cute .25 ACP

or this 28 gauge shotgun (which I don't think is actually imported, it is made by Rossi)

[Loudly]

6. Git your snuff porn offa here.

[holdencaufield]

8. I'm curious ...

... which part do you find titillating and arousing that you label it "porn"?

Is it the part where a thug breaks into a sleeping family's house?

[Loudly]

10. No, it's the part that states "he shot the person twice."

And the part that states "both shots that hit the suspect were in the chest, but he then ran through the backyard and then another yard before collapsing in the street."

Gruesome lasciviousness.

[holdencaufield]

12. That excites you sexually?

Seek help

[Loudly]

17. It's the poster's porn. Not mine.

[holdencaufield]

18. Uh huh ...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

22. Yo Shares, I am sure you have your own

[Eleanors38]

24. He who first smelt it dealt it. Euripides

[MercutioATC]

30. How would you rather have seen it reported?

If the homeowner shot the guy in the chest twice and he then ran across a couple of lawns before collapsing, that's what happened.

How is that lascivious? Seriously, how should that have been tastefully reported, in your opinion?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. "snuff" porn??

I didn't see anyone who wasn't distinctly alive.
Time for a vision exam.

[DonP]

11. Remember, "Loudly/Shares" keeps referencing Child Porn in many of his posts here too.

He claims it's for an analogy for gun owners and now it's "snuff porn", he does seem overly fixated on the lascivious side of things.

[rDigital]

15. It sounds like it needs to take a trip to Adultmart. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

20. My wife worked in...

Psychiatric intensive care for a bit and has explained that whenever someone disconnects from reality and starts to say things that don't agree with reality, the thing to do is to say "no" and to point out reality.


Having said that, please celebrate the union of the 7th and the last words in the last sentence of this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117271971#post8

[4th law of robotics]

34. They're really trying to make that gun/penis thing take off

it's not going too well.

A non-fanatic could simply give up at this point.

[beevul]

38. And yet you were just fine with "snuffy porn"...

"drag John Riggio, from his shop like a rat and snuff him"

I dont recall you wanting that story removed.

[hollysmom]

26. And this is why I have nails in my windows to keep them from opening too much

and a dog. My sister thinks I should have cats, but cats don't keep robbers out, dogs do.

[glacierbay]

27. I think this cat would do a pretty good job of keeping unwanted guests out.

[hollysmom]

28. BWAH

OK, THAT cat would, not every cat.

[glacierbay]

29. True, very true. nt.

[oneshooter]

35. Only if he wasn't distracted plinking at mice.