Boulder libraries to allow guns

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Boulder-libraries-to-allow-guns-4019810.php

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) — Boulder's library commission has approved a new rule that will allow people with concealed weapons permits to bring their guns.

The Boulder Public Library Commission gave unanimous approval on Wednesday to the rule change after reviewing a state Supreme Court ruling telling state universities they could not ban concealed-weapon permit holders from bringing guns on campus. The court ruled earlier this year that state lawmakers only provided a few exceptions to the concealed weapons law, and neither of those organizations are among them.

According to the Boulder Daily Camera (http://tinyurl.com/abtnka6 ), the new policy still has to be approved by city officials.

Another small advance for gun rights. Gun controllers will now be terrified to go to a Boulder library and will predict noise and mayhem in the lobbies. After a year nothing will have happened and everybody will have forgotten about it.

[SheilaT]

1. Until such point as yet another homeless person tries

to shake down a library patron, or there's a confrontation over parking, and the person carrying the gun feels fully justified in shooting.

[GreenStormCloud]

4. Do you mean to say those things don't happen at stores?

What makes a library different that such things happen there and not at mall parking lots?

[PavePusher]

7. Citations to past occurances, please.

Doesn't seem to happen here in Tucson. And I open carry.

[Remmah2]

9. Did you find that in Fiction or Creative Writing?

[glacierbay]

15. That's because it happens so often huh?

Oh wait..........

[glacierbay]

2. Another possible advance for gun rights

I just had a vision of the people over at the VPC and the Brady org. headquarters heads doing this.

[Eleanors38]

27. Don't call 'em Bolder libraries for nothing. nt

[Heliman]

3. OR...

If a licensed concealed handgun owner carries into a full library and quietly sits and reads a book as one does in a library and then... BOOM! The door flies open, a wacko comes in pointing his gun at people, the concealed handgun owner will be able to kill his ass before there's another reinactment of the batman movie killing.

You see, LICENSED concealed handgun owners go through an extensive background check and all have spotless records. They're probably the safest and most stable people to be around and are particular in that they have taken the extra measure to ensure their own safety as well as the safety of the people around them. So there.

The cops won't save you. Your own protection is YOUR own responsibility. Please understand that.

[rablrouzer]

10. Duck !

Here in Tulsa a LICENSED concealed handgun owner at the back of a Homeland (supermarket) check out line pulled his piece and began firing at two armed robbers.

May have hit one. Good thing the robbers were on their way out the door and kept on going rather than returning fire. The innocents nailed by the cross fire would have been dead, whether shot by the robbers, or by the LICENSED guy who should have kept his gun holstered.

Note also that not only are your odds of being killed with a gun very low in the UK where they do control guns, your odds of being any kind of homicide victim are also much lower.

[gejohnston]

11. which was also true before they had any controls

BTW, it isn't that hard to buy a pistol or submachine gun in the UK, just see your local drug connection.

[rablrouzer]

19. Non-sequitur

Your source for that?

Chance of dying by firearm in the US, 10.27 per 100,000

UK? .46

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

"Guns don't kill, people who pull the triggers do, and all too often."

[gejohnston]

21. post hoc ergo propter hoc

unless you are part of the drug trade your chances are as slim as they are in UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/machinegun-attack-on-russian-banker-in-london-7584104.html
for starters

BTW, does that number include suicides? It does. Most of them are suicides. Also, the UK is not on the list. You used the number for England and Wales. ULSTER and Scotland are listed separately. Those four jurisdictions combined make up the UK.

[GreenStormCloud]

13. It is extremely rare for a CCWer to hit an innocent person when shooting at thugs.

I know of only one case in which a CCWer hit an innocent, but there are bunches of cases of CCWers shooting felons during a crime.

You are letting your imagination run away with you.

[rablrouzer]

18. And if the felons had returned fire?

The safest thing was to let the already fleeing felons do just that.

It was only money.

Had they returned fire at the "loose" cannon, the other people in line would have been in the line---of fire.

[petronius]

20. So in order to demonstrate the bad outcomes that may occur as a result of this library policy,

you've provided an example that was not in a library, and where the bad outcome did not occur?

I will certainly weigh that accordingly, as I consider whether there is any significant cause for concern here...

[GreenStormCloud]

22. Who says the felons were already fleeing?

That is simply part of your imagination. All CCW classes that I am aware of teach to let fleeing crooks go, get a good description, report it to the police. The reason for carrying a gun is survival, not to play wannabe cop.

If it is only money, indeed let the felons go. But sometimes they want more than money. Sometimes they want to shoot somebody to establish their street creds as being bad ass. Sometimes they don't want to leave witness. Sometimes they just enjoy killing. You have to read each situation. There are no guarantees. You can't guarantee that if a person cooperates completely with the thug that they will live.

The numerous cases I am aware of the criminals were not fleeing when the CCWer engaged them. In fact, I have posted this thread of a CCWer in Detroit stopping robbers who had already opened fire before he drew his gun. His action stopped their shooting. http://www.democraticunderground.com/117285654

[montanto]

5. Should make people bring their "silencers" too.

Signage: This is a LIBRARY, please shoot QUIETLY.

[glacierbay]

6. LOL

Best one yet.

[PavePusher]

8. Well played! n/t

[rrneck]

14. Okay. I can go to work now. nt

[Trunk Monkey]

12. Libraries in Co Springs aren't posted haven't seen any blood in the stacks yet NT

[4th law of robotics]

16. " After a year nothing will have happened and everybody will have forgotten about it."

Or someone will get shot while reading a book from a public library (or while being in possession of one).

And even though it won't be anywhere near a public library people will blame this law.

[ileus]

17. I've carried in our Library for 5 years without an incident.

[GreenStormCloud]

23. When I go to our local library I am armed.

Not that I am worried about safety at the library, I am just armed everywhere I go.

[ileus]

24. One should always go around prepared...

Safety first.

[oneshooter]

25. Been carrying to Public Libraries for 15 years.

Even the one that is located in the at the local Junior College.

[Eleanors38]

26. After the vote legalizing ganja for personal consumption, Colorado is looking good!