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mdavies013

(336 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:38 PM Dec 2012

If we can't ban them...let's tax the hell out of them.


2 or more police officers posted at every public school in the US (more if the school is very large). There were 98,817 public schools during the 2009-2010. Average US Police officer Salary - $41,000 plus another let's say $9,000 for benefits.

It will cost just shy of $5 Billion dollars.

10,800,000 gun transactions in 2011.

Tax per transaction - $100.00 = Raises $1.08 Billion

10 Billion bullets sold - $1.00 per bullet tax = $10 Billion Dollars


Use the funds for security, mental health treatment (which is under attack and has been cut by $4 Billion since 2009, etc.

This should be part of the solution. Assault weapons ban, limits on clips, etc need to be part of it as well.


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If we can't ban them...let's tax the hell out of them. (Original Post) mdavies013 Dec 2012 OP
And arrest anyone whose gun is found in the hands of another nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #1
. tk2kewl Dec 2012 #2
Your tax on bullets is too low. RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #3
that would make me an instant millionaire. Go for it. genius. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #6
How would that make you a millionaire? RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #8
If bullets were taxed @ $1000/ea, any prior owner of a few simple $20 bulk boxes of .22LR OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #10
Not if they had to pay taxes on those bullets! RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #12
How does the government register and tax something that is already owned? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #13
So then just do nothing RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #15
do something that deals with the real issue gejohnston Dec 2012 #16
No, I just propose not passing pointless laws that can't work OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #18
I'm curious ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #14
Goddamn, all these ideas have been tried before AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #4
nonsense. Prohibitions always work out well for America trouble.smith Dec 2012 #7
Yeah, it worked out okay for alcohol, didn't it? n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #9
And heroin. And methamphetamine... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #11
You're onto something. I agree with the two or more Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #5
Only people like Mitt and Ann Romney should be able to afford firearms slackmaster Dec 2012 #17
 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
3. Your tax on bullets is too low.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:52 PM
Dec 2012

It should be like $1000 per bullet. Or more!
And have each one registered, and micro-stamped, so that it can be traced.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
10. If bullets were taxed @ $1000/ea, any prior owner of a few simple $20 bulk boxes of .22LR
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:54 PM
Dec 2012

would be millionaires.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
12. Not if they had to pay taxes on those bullets!
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
Dec 2012

You don't get the point.
Not that they are worth any more, just that there is a tax collected, which goes to the government on each bullet.
Each bullet is registered, and if it changes possession, it would have to have the tax paid on it.
Any current, non stamped bullets would be deemed illegal, with a harsh penalty for possession.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
13. How does the government register and tax something that is already owned?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:30 PM
Dec 2012

Bullets are ubiquitous, unserialized, and people already own them. I would have to think that applying an excise tax on already owned property would be a major violation of ex-post facto implementation of a law. Prior property would have to be grandfathered to avoid constitutional issues.

And let's be realistic... a $5000 tax per bullet is comical posturing. I could see MAYBE $10/bullet... $100 if the stars were aligned just right. And here's the thing, loading an AR mag, even @ $100/bullet, would only cost $3000. Do you really $3000 is a deterrent for some suicidal douchbag about to shoot up an elementary school?

Lastly, none of this even addresses the fact that many recreational shooters MAKE their own ammo because it's cheaper and usually gives better results than store-bought ammo. They reuse the ejected brass dozens of times, bullets can be formed from melted lead weights, jackets can be swaged from scrap copper/brass, and primers are literally about $0.02/each. A hundred or more rounds of better-than-factory ammo can be made at home more cheap than factory ammo in just an hour or two. A black market for "unregistered/untaxed" ammo wont even have to exist... people and criminals will just make their own.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
14. I'm curious ...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:58 PM
Dec 2012

... if someone goes on a shooting spree and kills a bunch of people with untaxed bullets -- would they be arrested on murder charges or tax evasion?

Because although they might not be afraid of capital punishment, everyone fears the IRS.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
4. Goddamn, all these ideas have been tried before
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:11 AM
Dec 2012

Look up Poll Tax. Amounts to a de facto ban.
If you do it with this issue, you open the door to all the others that were prohibited in the past.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
5. You're onto something. I agree with the two or more
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:28 AM
Dec 2012

security guards/LEO. It would be expensive, but manageable. I see a problem with a punitve taxing scheme, aimed a vast non-criminal population. Why not share the burden?

Don't we all want to secure our schools? Isn't that the most important concern. President Obama could lead the effort (a kind of Safe Streets Act), and get wide support across the board.

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