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I'm confused... Who does the NRA represent? (Original Post) battleknight24 Dec 2012 OP
They are the lobby for gun owners. The lobby for gun manufacturers is NSSF, headquartered in... Recursion Dec 2012 #1
Gun owners and the market they provide gun manufacturers. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #2
Gun manufacturing 2naSalit Dec 2012 #3
Nope. The manufactuers' lobby is the NSSF. Not the NRA Recursion Dec 2012 #6
Unless I'm misinformed though Justin_Beach Dec 2012 #16
That's the "NRABA" Recursion Dec 2012 #17
But what about this Justin_Beach Dec 2012 #19
Like the high school teacher that influenced me the most, gejohnston Dec 2012 #21
+1 Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #23
+2 friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #25
Kind of misinformed perhaps gejohnston Dec 2012 #18
What about this Justin_Beach Dec 2012 #20
Like the high school teacher that influenced me the most, gejohnston Dec 2012 #22
People who think there should be zero restrictions of any type doc03 Dec 2012 #4
ALEC! That's who. Rich assholes who hate the American people for profit MightyMopar Dec 2012 #5
the NRA uses ALEC, but I see the NRA and other ALEC members parting ways gejohnston Dec 2012 #8
themselves gejohnston Dec 2012 #7
Gun manufacturers. Warpy Dec 2012 #9
No. That's the NSSF. Recursion Dec 2012 #11
The question wasn't "who keeps the NRA funded?" Warpy Dec 2012 #24
About 3 million members, IIRC.. pipoman Dec 2012 #10
LaPierre's annual salary is $970K BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #12
Well, that's just the K Street Boondoggle Recursion Dec 2012 #13
Every business is a machine that needs to move forward BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #15
I would say so gejohnston Dec 2012 #14
The current guy is an independently wealthy former advertising executive. Clames Dec 2012 #26
A very small group of investors control a huge margin of arms and ammunition markets randr Dec 2012 #27

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. They are the lobby for gun owners. The lobby for gun manufacturers is NSSF, headquartered in...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:03 AM
Dec 2012

wait for it... Newtown, CT

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
3. Gun manufacturing
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:05 AM
Dec 2012

companies and the military industrial complex, that would include the violent video games production interests as well. Also known as the war machine.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. Nope. The manufactuers' lobby is the NSSF. Not the NRA
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:06 AM
Dec 2012

They actually disagree on several issues. NSSF is mostly worried about Federal/LEO acquisition contracts, which is where most of their money comes from.

Justin_Beach

(111 posts)
16. Unless I'm misinformed though
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:32 AM
Dec 2012

the NRA gets considerable contributions from manufacturers. They may not officially "represent" them but manufacturers (and retailers) are certainly pro-NRA.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. That's the "NRABA"
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:35 AM
Dec 2012

The "NRA Business Alliance". They tried to take down NSSF as the gun manufacturers' trade association a few years ago and failed miserably, mostly because they ignored the big defense/law enforcement contract players out of deference to the (smaller but more important to them) companies that make guns for civilian use.

K Street is a weird world.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
21. Like the high school teacher that influenced me the most,
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:07 AM
Dec 2012

a transplant from NYC no less, gave us a guide on critical thinking, back when they taught such quaint things in the backwoods, to never take anything any advocacy group, political party, or propaganda think tank says very seriously. In other words, VPC and the NRA are two sides of the same coin and equally as full of shit.
Which means, while I believe nothing Fox says, I don't accept everything Media Matters says either.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
22. Like the high school teacher that influenced me the most,
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:08 AM
Dec 2012

a transplant from NYC no less, gave us a guide on critical thinking, back when they taught such quaint things in the backwoods, to never take anything any advocacy group, political party, or propaganda think tank says very seriously. In other words, VPC and the NRA are two sides of the same coin and equally as full of shit.
Which means, while I believe nothing Fox says, I don't accept everything Media Matters says either.

doc03

(35,348 posts)
4. People who think there should be zero restrictions of any type
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:05 AM
Dec 2012

of firearm, who owns them or who sells them.

 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
5. ALEC! That's who. Rich assholes who hate the American people for profit
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:05 AM
Dec 2012

TPMMuckraker
ALEC, NRA Pushed ‘Stand Your Ground’ Legislation At Center Of Trayvon Martin Killing

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"Trayvon Martin was just 10 years old when politicians in Florida passed legislation that, seven years later, is being blamed for letting his killer walk free.

Martin’s Feb. 26 death in a gated suburban neighborhood at the hands of a 28-year-old man is calling attention to Florida’s 2005 “Stand Your Ground” law, which allows the use of deadly force if a person feels threatened. Gunman George Zimmerman was pursuing Martin because he thought the 17-year-old African-American teenager was suspicious and told police he was acting in self defense, though Martin had only a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea on him when he was shot and killed a short distance from the home of his father’s girlfriend.

Florida was the first state in the country to pass such a bill, but they weren’t the last. And like many legislative trends, this one has its roots in the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

Minutes documenting a 2005 meeting from an old ALEC website provided to TPM by the Center for Media and Democracy and Common Cause show that Marion Hammer of the National Rifle Association (NRA) pitched model legislation to ALEC’s Criminal Justice Task Force. An old NRA update also documented the meeting. “Her talk was well-received, and the task force subsequently adopted the measure unanimously,” the NRA wrote in an Aug. 12, 2005 post on the NRA website."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/stand_your_ground_legislation_that_may_have_let_tr.php


gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
8. the NRA uses ALEC, but I see the NRA and other ALEC members parting ways
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:11 AM
Dec 2012

when the gilded age 2.0 starts turning into the French Revolution 2.0

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. themselves
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:09 AM
Dec 2012

SAF seems to be doing all of the heavy lifting. Who does Brady and VPC represent? They depend on a foundation and a couple of rich people for any funding, which mostly goes to salaries. They have no membership or grassroots.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
9. Gun manufacturers.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:19 AM
Dec 2012

That is all.

They used to do good work a very long time ago. Now they're just another lobby group, buying up Republicans.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. No. That's the NSSF.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:20 AM
Dec 2012

I mean, seriously, this isn't hard. NRA's dues come from gun owners. NSSF's dues come from gun manufacturers.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
24. The question wasn't "who keeps the NRA funded?"
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:38 PM
Dec 2012

It was "who does the NRA represent?"

I answered the question the OP posed.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
12. LaPierre's annual salary is $970K
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:21 AM
Dec 2012

So it would seem representing his right to make a fortune is high on the list.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Well, that's just the K Street Boondoggle
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:27 AM
Dec 2012

I used to work there. (Not the NRA, just K Street -- for that matter the NRA is in Fairfax, not DC, let alone K street. But you get my point.)

The simple fact is nearly every lobby is a racket, trying to get people's money, and they will never "fix" whatever "problem" they allegedly are addressing. Why? Because then the checks would stop coming. The NRA is no different. They need gun control just like the Brady Campaign needs the NRA.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
14. I would say so
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:29 AM
Dec 2012

Brady Campaign paid Paul Helmke only $243K I'm guessing the current guy makes about the same.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
26. The current guy is an independently wealthy former advertising executive.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:12 PM
Dec 2012

I'm sure they are still paying him in the $250k range.

randr

(12,412 posts)
27. A very small group of investors control a huge margin of arms and ammunition markets
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:20 PM
Dec 2012

Freedom Group is controlled by Cerberus Investment, both of which have tentacles into the NRA through board placement.
Articles abound, google both for a real eye opener.
Cerberus, by the way, is the Greek mythological guard dog to the gates of hell, how appropriate.

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