Polite, well spoken, non religious, politically supportive black voices matter

[FrodosPet]

Everyone else, please be quiet and let the, ahem, adults do all the talking for you.

Remember, we are your friends. Because we said so.

[stone space]

1. It isn't nice.

[MADem]

2. If those friends expect to get to the show, they need a ride from the friends they're trying

to hush up, don't they?

I am less and less inclined to give 'em a lift. They can hitch a ride with the libertarians.

[Chemisse]

3. Do you think Bernie supporters would be less angry?

. . . if it had been 3 white people strong-arming Bernie into ceding the microphone?

Was it the fact that the women were black that pissed people off?

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. I don't think it mattered, the flavor of the detractors ...

the detraction was the sin ... But I suspect a look comparing the Blocked list of HoF and the Bernie Group would prove interesting.

And then, for more ghits and siggles, try a look comparing the Bernie Group and the LGBT and P&I Groups' Block list, as well.

All three exercises might prove ... er ... revealing.

[greatauntoftriplets]

9. I'd add the Obama group into those comparisons.

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. And cross reference the 4 to the "I stand with Rand" thread ...

and the head of the snake(s) will be exposed.

[greatauntoftriplets]

12. In all likelihood.

[gollygee]

18. I stand with Rand thread?

What?

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. You remember ...

the DU:Medea Benjamin love-fest thread(s).

[gollygee]

20. I'm afraid I don't remember

I must have been very busy and therefore not active at DU during that time.

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. You didn't miss much, except ...

it was interesting to see so many heads pop up.

[freshwest]

32. Oh, here ya go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022953975

[seabeyond]

26. you are brilliant. we knew. the was the first clue in for me, the people i was fighting. i checked

the populist group and found them, listened to them, and that was the first clue in. the men i have fought for three years for womens rights were sitting comfortable among their group.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. I'm not brilliant ...

I just have an ability to see patterns and make connections.

[ismnotwasm]

43. That was the first thing I noticed

I found it odd, to say the least possible

[gollygee]

17. Absolutely not

I've been told in GD in long sub-threads that I have no place talking about racism because I'm white. This is a neat trick - silence the AA members of DU, and then tell white DUers we can't talk about racism either.

[KitSileya]

4. Does anyone actually think that the candidates would have addressed racial justice without BLM?

I saw that Sanders came out with a racial justice plan - if BLM hadn't been so in-his-face about it, does anyone think he would have actually done that, or do they think he would have let it be a peripheral issue at best while concentrating (solely) on economic justice? I think the latter, and I think Malloy and Clinton, to the degree they have addressed this issue, have done so specifically because black activists have said to hell with white liberal sensitivities, we're getting this issue put on the map.

Being loud, in-your-face, and disruptive works. The suffragettes, the Stonewall riots, Greenpeace raiding - being polite doesn't work.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. O'Malley had to

Because of the history of Baltimore - all of it. And because - two elections - he won a majority black American city.

Clinton has to - because there are a lot of people who remember the dog whistles of 2008.

[seabeyond]

25. further, one can look at facts and not rely on opinion. since day one sanders declared, people have

been discussing his exclusiveness of social issues. during that time media has asked him to come out with discussion of social issues. sanders adamently refused and dug in heals. and only recently touched it because of the second in your face, of blm.

that being said, watching and listening, i am think sanders still has not learned. i am thinking sanders might have an ego. that he might be that stubborn. seeing how he hired blacks to address black issues with his campaign, only to throw the black man under the bus the other day. refusing to acknowledge an apology for not getting together with blm sooner. such an insignificant thing to apologize for, an appropriate apology, and sanders couldnt handle it

the comment he made on meet the press asking about his campaign crowds, he stated

we reach out to working class and middle class

i am thinking he wont walk too far from his script.

[KitSileya]

27. It is funny (more funny curious tan funny ha-ha, however)

that a candidate that has realized so thoroughly that trickle-down economics is a bunch of hooey that he made his platform almost exclusively based on refutation of it, so stubbornly believes in trickle-down social justice*. He seems to adamantly believe that if white cishet men get economic justice so that it spills over on minority groups, the same men will magically confer social justice on everyone else.



*Expression coined by Melissa McEwan

[seabeyond]

28. that was what knocked me on my ass three months ago. listening to sanders and processing it

the obvious use of trickle down for his plan, in your face obvious, and the total obliviousness that is exactly what he is suggesting us buy into.

i truly sat flabbergasted that people all over were not seeing exactly that. mouth hanging open obvious, lol

i remember when.

now i am just tickled every time i see trickle down social justice.

[kwassa]

39. Trickle-down social justice.

Great point.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. Excellent vent - spot on analysis

[Starry Messenger]

8. I've been listening to the radio show TWIB with the interview with Marissa

one of the young BLM protesters that did the intervention at the Sanders rally. They boosted the things the crowd were yelling. Those are some scary angry white people. I don't think I could have mounted that stage and faced that, and I'm white and middle-aged and schoolmarmish.

I think this unflinching look into the id some white people has been very instructive. That's probably as strongly as I can put it without getting a hide.

[seabeyond]

24. sanders is pandering to, reaching out to, working and middle class. ie, white. he states that.

he repeats that.

the crowds he draws are NOT simply liberal, progressive demcrats, if we wanted to give a pass to our supposed progressive democratic fellows.

which i tend not to. ever. often stating sexism is not a party issue. or a frat issue, sports issue, nerd issue. it is a mans issue

same with racism. it is a white issue.....

[Starry Messenger]

30. Yeah, the Joe Lunchbox crowd. We've been talking about that in here.

I think this will be the last gasp for the hope that the blue-collar right-wing voters will come back into the Democratic coalition. I think that generation is too entrenched. Anyone who is in a union with them knows that they vote against their own interests and identify with the right-wing ownership class.

Some may come over and be at his events, but I don't see this wholesale transformation that is predicted. I'll eat a hardhat if it happens.

[freshwest]

33. I hadn't heard all that audio! That is a hateful bunch there! I still think these are some of the

Libertarians who lost their chance to get their former great white grand daddy figure in office. So much carrying on about being mean to an old man.

It's very much like the intolerance of the Paulies about Ron, that worshipful thing they had going. And all of that - while Marissa was literally sobbing as she spoke. No empathy for her at all!

There were some people who cheered as she called for action. But the amount of OUTRAGED hubris was overwhelming! Scary!

[Starry Messenger]

34. I think people claiming the BLM protesters were "violent" are actively avoiding this radio interview

If you listen to this, you get a clear clear sense of just how horrible some in the crowd were. And even if one thought that was a fluke of a few hateful individuals, over here and on social media there have been hundreds more vocalizing the outraged "HOW DARE YOU!!!11" from the "unracist" sector of some white progressives.

It was scary. It still is!

[MrScorpio]

11. Most of all, let's not incite white fragility, especially in white liberals

After all, they're our friends, right?

[seabeyond]

23. i have to tell you, the last couple months listening. has allowed such a progression of understandin

and insight. well, it feeds. it has allowed me to talk to my first time voting white privileged sons and nieces and nephews, and that inturns allows a discussion among their friends.

blm has created a tidal wave of discussion.

[kwassa]

13. Spot on analysis. Thank you.

Black criticism is only acceptable if it meets pre-existing white progressive criteria.

[brer cat]

14. Truth.

K&R

[pnwmom]

15. With emphasis on the "non religious."

That is the kiss of death around here.

[Cha]

16. FrodosPet.. I love you!

Mahalo! #BlackLivesMatter. no buts.

[Stellar]

35. Shhh! Let Bernie speak....

Right?

[Cha]

36. Right, Stellar. :(

[FrodosPet]

37. Thank you!

Be strong, be consistent, and MAYBE someday people will wake up and get the sleepy out of their eyes so they can see what's really going on.

#BlackLivesMatter
#BlackVoicesMatter

[Cha]

38. "Be strong, be consistent, and MAYBE someday people will wake up and get the sleepy out of their

eyes so they can see what's really going on."

Thank you, excellent advice~

#BlackLivesMatter
#BlackVoicesMatter

[seabeyond]

22. as a woman i feel the same. sanders is my fathers age and i feel a pat on the head telling me

he has got it and to sit down and be a good girl while the adults talk at the table.

and i roll my eyes.... lol.

[blackspade]

31. Um, no.

Those folks are only seen, not heard, just the way the party establishment wants it.
Black voices matter just as much as their lives....unless you are an asshole alert stalker at DU.

[Starry Messenger]

40. I'll just drop this here.

[FrodosPet]

41. Alas, if you dropped it in GD: Primary or The Bernie Sanders group

It would be an auto alert.

[Starry Messenger]

42. I know.

It's OP worthy, but the message would be lost.

[ismnotwasm]

44. "My God"

Dyin here

[Starry Messenger]

45. I died.

[greatauntoftriplets]

46. Any day, I expect to read...

MLK marched with Sanders.

[Starry Messenger]

47. Right?

[Bobbie Jo]

48. LOL!