Du unhinged again over AA posters.

[gwheezie]

It's like instead of gaining any insight they're insisting anyone who doesn't agree with them is directly attacking them.

[lovemydog]

1. Agree.

They're ignorant, hateful cowards.

[Behind the Aegis]

5. as an FYI

On Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:41 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Agree.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31214

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling other DUers "ignorant, hateful cowards".

Enough of this shit.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:47 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: my leave vote is based only on this being posted in the AA group, had it been posted in one of the main forums I may have voted differently
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Enough of the stalking of the AA group!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. It would seem ...

A Jury voted 4-3 to hide this post on Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:35 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118731215#post11

Someone(s) is(are) on a mission.

[randys1]

17. 3 for me yesterday on same subject, i am gone

[Behind the Aegis]

28. I am seeing a number of hides based on generalities.

That is to say, juries are hiding posts which do not attack any one group, but are speaking in general terms. It is hard to believe people are alerting on them, much less seeing them hide them. It is one thing to say "Sanders/Clinton supporters are..." or "The African American group is..." or even "DU'ers are....", and the last one is a still a stretch in my mind and I doubt I would hide it unless it was followed by something really bad, but to speak in terms of "there are those who..." and "some people are..." are not alertable IMO and almost never hideable (there's always an exception).

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. That's probably because ...,

but to speak in terms of "there are those who..." and "some people are..." are not alertable IMO and almost never hideable (there's always an exception).

You just don't insert enough words (that other haven't said) and shake "implications" out of your head to find a reason to hide.

You should really work harder!

[Behind the Aegis]

32. Well, there is that too.

I have been known to read into something, but I generally read, then re-read something to make sure I am reading what is actually there as opposed to what I think is there. I have been on the receiving end of being told what I really meant as opposed to what really said. I know you have been there too!

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. Yeah ... a lot. But never as much as since April 29, 2015. n/t

[Scootaloo]

52. The Bernie group is getting hte same sort of stuff, according to its hosts

Part of me wonders if it's the same people but, eh, only the group hosts would know I suppose

[Behind the Aegis]

59. I don't know how they would know.

Group hosts have access to alerts for SOP, but they do not get access to any other alert. The only ones who know for sure are the admins, unless the one who alerted reveals themselves, as even the person who got the alert doesn't know s/he received an alert unless the post is hidden, and the alerter's name is still not revealed.

[heaven05]

46. yep, have been for months now

[randys1]

47. This AA forum is a joke, sorry guys and gals. If you cant criticize a national political figure,

NOT his supporters, but the figure himself, then there is no longer any reason for anybody other than those who support that person to be here.

And for fuck's sake, DU right now does not DESERVE the insights of the AfAm posters who are tolerating this insanity, along with their white goofy friends, like myself.



__________________________________________________

I mean christ, it makes NO sense. Think about it, the more you allow a certain group to prevent posters?

What the fuck? Isnt the reason you have a board is for traffic for both reasons of profit and overall performance?

Wow...crazy

The JOKE comment means that if AfAm people arent safe in a forum made for them, then it is a joke to even imply that they have a forum.

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Digital Puppy]

48. You'd better watch it...

...I can feel the Alert Stalkers stretching their stubby fingers!

[randys1]

49. No shit, but what possibly is alertable about what I said? Nothing, yet any criticism

of the supporters isnt tolerated and now criticism of the candidate isnt either.

Although criticism of Hillary is not only tolerated, there are HUNDREDS of extremely anti Hillary posts made here DAILY

this is insane

[betsuni]

10. Stalking.

Say this instead: "Knowledge-challenged, lacking niceness, persons who are like the lion in The Wizard of Oz." Be careful, everyone.

[steve2470]

61. such a BS alert

Yep, no such thing as alert-stalking!

[rbrnmw]

2. They are unhinged

They got bravenak again today with the dumbest hide I have ever seen

[betsuni]

3. Was that a case of misunderstanding what was being alerted on?

Or just because it was bravenak? I can't tell. Dammmmit. It's a miracle she lasted this long.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. I have certain posters

When they show up in latest I just click the trash thread button. I already know the content based on the user name and I have little tolerance for nonsense. Alas . . .

[yardwork]

63. I just put a DUer on ignore.

I'd put another one on ignore but he claims to be gay so I like to keep an eye on him so that I can post my disagreements in his racist threads.

[JustAnotherGen]

64. Probably the same person

I have on ignore. He's blatant.

Only HIS issue is important and 'fuck you jag' (all but said it) for giving a shit about my neighbors.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. But only if we don't support Bernie or attempt to put racism in it's proper ...

context (i.e., the institutional/cultural power component is essential) ... otherwise, DU just ignores us ...

BTW, Could someone send me the jury results on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118731215#post11

Are they really that fucked up that a commonly turned phrase, meaning deeply ingrained is now somehow offensive?

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. Okay. Here are the results of my latest hide ...

On Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:18 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm not offended by that ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31230

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"I'm thinking that it is in Bernie's DNA."

Anti-semitic dog whistle. Insinuating that Bernie doesn't care about blacks because he is Jewish. This isn't the first time this canard has been used against Bernie around here.


JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:35 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We have to have a system that deters this. This is plain and simple a way of shutting down speech. I ask all Jurors to never hide posts until this is resolved.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: DNA...ffs.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yea, that's anti-semitic. Hide.

Anti-Semitic???? Yes ... fucking unhinged. Deeply. A

Are they really that fucked up that a commonly turned phrase, meaning deeply ingrained (referencing his propensity to forget to mention economics over other issues) is now somehow anti-Semitic?

[betsuni]

9. OMGOMGOMG

I was going to say that DNA = some sort of racist accusation, but the anti-semitic thing didn't even occur to me. UNHINGED. The twisting of every little thing is professional level.

[Bobbie Jo]

11. Unbelievable.

Ridiculous hide.

[zappaman]

14. What a disengenuous bullshit alert.

[Digital Puppy]

19. WTF is DNA??

Sorry, I'm ignorant...or possibly my Stockholm Syndrome is kicking in, but I don't know this term...

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. It stands for "Deoxyribonucleic acid" ...

The molecule that is at the core of our being.

I could have said: &quot His) neglecting issues, particular to Black people, proves that (he) is Economic primacy hard-wired."

[Digital Puppy]

27. Ahh...of course! Thanks!! n/t

[Starry Messenger]

22. Insanity.

[Behind the Aegis]

30. I know you, but others do not.

I can see how this could be seen as a possible anti-Semitic dogwhistle. What is really frustrating are the ones which are posting those whistles seem to be sliding by, so I don't know if this was genuine concern, or if this was just a way to "get at you." Anti-Semitism is not something well understood here, or in general. So we have people swinging wide, sometimes making the hit, other times missing completely. There is a post in LBN which got a 7-0 to LEAVE IT despite the alert the cartoon was anti-Semitic and though I didn't think the cartoon was anti-Semitic, it should have at least garnered one "hide" because it really did look like an old canard of "the money hungry Jew" it was nothing more than a comment on Israel's PM taking funding from the US while ignoring suggestions from the US. Also the target was different, which as you know, sometimes makes a HUGE difference in whether something is perceived to be bigoted or not. Your comment was about Sanders, the other was about Netanyahu.

Also, did you mean to say what you said or did you mean to write: (referencing his propensity to forget to mention other issues over economics)?

As someone who is Jewish, I will say when one starts talking about money and Jews, especially it being in our DNA, it causes ears to perk up. I fully understand what you were saying based on your prior posts and my knowing you on a more personal level. However, someone who doesn't have those things in their bag might not see it (or choose not too). It would be similar if I were to say "Obama is constantly monkeying around with..." You, and a few others, would know my use of the phrase would have NOTHING to do with Obama's race, but one can see how it could be viewed as potentially racist because there are those who are racist who get off on skating the line. So, when it comes to "Jews and money," I suggest extreme caution (unless you are talking about Israel, a republican Jew, or other "undesirable" Jew (Adleson comes to mind) then it seems not to matter (as much)). There is a long and very nasty history in regards to Jews and finances/money, which has produced some very ugly stereotypes about us.

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. Okay. Thanks. ...

After much thinking about it, I understood the "money/DNA" thing.

I apologize to all those offended.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. So we are clear, I wasn't offended.

Like I said, I know where that comment was coming from and it wasn't a place of anti-Semitism, it was one of frustration.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. Yep ...

But to avoid future incidents ... I will try really hard to avoid the topic, all together.

That should make DU:Bernie very, very happy.

But I wonder how they will spend their days?

[tishaLA]

42. Haha OMG

I alerted on a post about 6 months ago that called Netanyahu a "Shylock"; that's a legitimately antisemitic slur (and has been since Shakespear wrote The Merchant of Venice)....and didn't get a hide. But THAT is?

[gollygee]

53. That's a stretch

You're saying it's just how he is, not something he can change. Not that it is related to being Jewish.

Although, if it wasn't you, like if it was from someone I'd heard that kind of thing from before, I might have thought that as well.

[1StrongBlackMan]

54. I have said before ...

How one interprets what is written says far more about the interpreter that the speaker.

[gollygee]

55. Maybe

although it wasn't necessarily the authentic reason for the alert. People look for reasons to alert on posts in the AA forum and they might have thought they could spin it that way and get a hide, even if they didn't read it that way.

[Number23]

62. Oh my God!! Who knew that one's RELIGION is now a part of their DNA!! Oh my Lord...!!!

This place is so full of shit!!

I know I shouldn't laugh but that is probably the stupidest hide and the biggest reach to be offended I've ever seen here. I go away for a couple of days and people here get even dumber.

[ismnotwasm]

12. Yup

I have to agree.

[zappaman]

13. Yes, I noticed the alert stalking of the AA group

is still strong.

[randys1]

16. 3 for me yesterday for plainly speaking the truth about racism on DU, which is of course

not allowed and I knew that, what was I thinking?

[Cha]

40. Here's another one.. :(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31296

[betsuni]

44. You got a hide simply for linking to today's tombstoned member's transparency page

which people do all the time. I don't get it.

[zappaman]

45. Been a rough month for Clinton haters.

[randys1]

15. I had THREE hides yesterday for speaking the truth...

So, we know this board is only for certain folks, dont we.


deleted, i will be banned today, no need to help them

[Tanuki]

21. FYI, the jury backed you up this time! (I was #7)

On Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:30 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I had THREE hides yesterday for speaking the truth...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31259

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"I honestly wish there was a board for liberals, you know, Democrats, non racists. "

What does he think DU is? Are we all right wing, Republican racists in his mind?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:42 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think that this post is appropriate but I wish that everyone would just calm down.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh? The alerter seems confused.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: FI pretty lame around here anymore to be alerting on something like this...
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: looking for trouble
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I am distressed by the recent escalation in stalking and hounding of respected AA posters here. I am certainly not going to hide this and I think this alert reflects poorly on the alerter.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[randys1]

23. Thanks, the alerting is just amazing. Clear admission of who they are when they do this.

When you penalize alert stalkers, like I am alert stalked like in this very case, then and only then can you start to resolve the issue.

Getting actual liberals to monitor the forum instead of juries is the sure FIRE way to make SURE a real liberal survives here.

[randys1]

18. What reallly confuses me is how can Black people in the Black forum while talking to

other Black people or friends, about obvious racism, get HIDES from people outside that group?

We thought we were safe here to discuss what is happening on DU, but we arent.

The safest thing to do is to leave the board until after the nominee is picked, and if it is Hillary this will be a safe place for us, if it isnt, it wont be, it is that simple

[Digital Puppy]

20. Is there no way to find out who is doing the alert stalking?

Why can't people who find the conversations in the AA group offensive just leave or ignore?? They are too scared to post their opinions so they'd rather try and hide/silence members of this community?

[randys1]

24. It wont be admitted by admins that it is even happening.

And while some of us are certainly alerted on constantly, it is more about ANY mention of racism and Bernie or Bernie supporters and you will be alerted instantly.

It doesnt matter if you are a BERNIE SUPPORTER like me, if I imply there are racists on DU, i have to be silenced.

Not new, America has done this for a very long time.

I am just amazed the jury system hasnt been shit canned yet.

Really am.

Nothing I say is safe to say anymore at DU.

crazy, eh

[whatthehey]

26. I'll be honest and say I was until recently unsure this was systemic

But all the examples posted, plus one I can add myself below, have made it pretty clear. I don't know what to say guys, I really don't except this is nuts. I'm not even sure who is and is not an AA poster for the most part and I hate that it seems necessary to keep track so I can be sure I do not inadvertently assist this lunacy. Why you have to face this here I truly have no idea.On Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:32 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Breaking News ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31227

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"negro problem"

Racial slurs are not appropriate on DU, not even in jest.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:37 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Silly as response.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Would "Non-Caucasian American problem" be better? Jeez.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: For a start it's used by a black poster. For another thing it is a current phrase and for another it is a term used actively and non-disparagingly by the black community at lasrge, unless the laudable college fund of the same name is somehow racist towards itself?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Negro problem" is a term from the Civil Rights fights of the '50s and '60s.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[randys1]

29. I have been assured there are no racists or misogynists on DU, especially Bernie supporters who are

So I dont know why so many Black people here are being silenced, they are, but must be your cologne?

[Chitown Kev]

37. OMG, these poor sorry-ass white people

the negroes won't leave them alone! /s

I mean, are these fools even serious?

Yes, ignorant bitter and hateful people and I'm being quite polite.

[randys1]

38. VAPORS

[Cha]

39. Your jury results.. I was Juror #1

OMG, these poor sorry-ass white people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=31294

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Racist attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:23 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Get over yourself. This seems like alert stalking in the AA Group.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I've read thru the context, it appears Chitown Kev is reacting to the fact that someone alerted on another AA member's post because that AA poster used the word "negro". Which in my mind was (at best) a silly alert.

I am leaving it because I don't see Chitown Kev post to be a racist attack. It seems to be more about people coming into the AA forum and trying to tell how AA member to talk.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: yeah, its totally inappropriate. I think it was on purpose to make a point, but it what it is.

[Chitown Kev]

41. Well, Juror #7 was exactly right, to be honest

I did post a snark tag and all of that yet #7 still chose to hide.

But the Stockholm Syndrome post is still up.

Some racially fragile white folks get on my last goddamn nerves and I am not about to accede to their demands and be one of their respectable negroes because of their fragility.

They can kiss the pink part of my you-know-what.

[Digital Puppy]

50. These People (Juror #7)

I think it was on purpose to make a point, but it what it is.

These are the people that are silencing the AA forum voices???

Hey Juror #7 (and #3)...I think you are inappropriate, illiterate, and ignorant. Maybe you should recuse yourself from jury duty - especially from topics in the AA Forum.

[lib87]

43. Since we're not falling in line it's time to attack

I think people are getting mad their candidate is not getting the negro vote and they are lashing out unlike the candidate who is still a gentleman in the race.

I had to pause at the thread on the front page today something about 'the race card' sounding like a republican website headline.

[villager]

51. Links? DU is rapidly devolving into flung generalities

It might be helpful -- if we have any notion of being a cohesive-ish site after the primaries -- of knowing what the particular offending posts were, in a given circumstance...

[JustAnotherGen]

56. Group Host - This is the African American Group

We are all familiar with the content of the OP as we are hosts, subscribers, readers, participants. Unfortunately advanced search is down right now so I can't review your history in the group.

There are examples right in the thread. When advanced search comes back up - I'd suggest you look for the key words 'alert stalk' in the AfAm group and that will bring you up to speed.

Good luck!

[villager]

58. I was just wondering if there were specific examples of being unhinged that sparked the OP?

I can do an "alert stalking" search -- are charges of "alert stalking," or perceptions of it, what the OP is talking about?

That's another theme rife in DU right now, on all sides, it would appear....

[JustAnotherGen]

60. Yes there are

GDP / GD and start with NRN in July.

Good luck! Happy hunting!

[giftedgirl77]

57. K&R for being absolutely right...

This place has gone off rails. The hypocrisy & tone deaf bullshit towards minorities has gotten rediculous.