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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:20 AM Nov 2015

How to Survive Black Thanksgiving as a Non-Black Guest

How to Survive Black Thanksgiving: A Users Manual for Non-Black Guests/In-Laws and Black Folks that Don’t Have No Home Training, I.E. Culture

(HUMOR AND SATIRE TRIGGER WARNING)

1. DO NOT arrive empty handed to Black Thanksgiving. Store bought isn’t great, but if you aren’t sure how Black holiday food works, it’s better than getting the church lady look when you bring candied parsnips over. See rule 2.)

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2. The answer is ALWAYS sweet potatoes. Neauxp, no pumpkin, parsnips, rutabagas, butternut squash, nah-unh…sweet potatoes aka “yams.” (Not really yams)

3. As with our close cousin “Southern White Thanksgiving,” we don’t call cornbread “stuffing,” stuffing….we call it “dressing.” Calling it “stuffing,” is a dead giveaway you don’t know the quality of what you brought over. Throw that boxed stuff away.

4. Bruce Almighty (wink wink) didn’t create “yams,” De Lawd did, so buy the ones that don’t come in a can when you follow rule 2.

5. Macaroni and cheese with breadcrumbs and bechamel sauce? Really? And it’s not even “urunge?” Neauxp…. not Black Thanksgiving approved.

6. Potato salad year round is a thing. Don’t ask who made it, just know their hands are clean. Potato salad is yellow, has paprika and eggs so don’t be confused.

7. Expect an elder to ask a young child to dance, perform, recite a poem or read from the Bible against their will for the entertainment of other elders.

8. Grace will last a while when Daddy/Grandaddy so and so or Big Mama, Nana, Grammy or M’Dear says it, so make sure you don’t starve yourself prior to arrival.

9. Black people hate it when you’re not a cheerful eater, so load up your plate. Strategy: if you’re used to white food just try to load up on stuff you’ll actually eat and tuck in the obligatory candied yams and collard greens where necessary. Save room for dessert. Candied yams or sweet potato casserole with marshmallows is NOT dessert.

10. Like any ethnic household expect people to talk about food while eating food.
You will likely be eating roast turkey, barbecued turkey, deep fried turkey, glazed country ham, collard greens, macaroni and cheese, green beans, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes mashed and covered with marshmallows, corn, cornbread, yeast/potato rolls, black eyed peas, rice, gravy, potato salad, cranberry sauce from the can, sweet potato pie, cornbread dressing, “fried apples” (think Boston Market apples), chitterlings, apple crisp, chess pie, fill-in-the-blank cobbler, ice cream, caramel cake, deviled eggs, “green salad,” and something almost Afrocentric..

11. DO NOT be that “other” that goes “Well it’s not just Black people that eat/do….” What the hell is that supposed to really mean??? a. You don’t think we have a unique culture unless we do “magical, innate, instinctual things y’all “can’t” do? b. You don’t seem to grasp that each culture puts it’s own spin on common themes. c. You’re showing that you believe in the “Black Box” (newsflash..we can be just as universal and influential as anyone else) d. You are desperate to have the newest college student in the family demonstrate their newfound skills in oppression deflection learned in Introduction to African American Studies. In any case, saying nonsense will get you “the look that Mr. Johnson gave Ray.” (Ask your host for the story once the Moscato gets flowing.)

12. Speaking of college…expect the student to have a newfound prejudice against pork, meat in general or cooked food, all of which will cause palpitations for the cook and rolled eyes. We are used to this, but know the “special plate,” is for the newfound #Hotep/poor righteous teacher, Natural sister/brother, or boho in the room…not for you. It may seem achingly familiar and inviting, but unless you want a “the look that Mr. Johnson gave Ray” (ask the host once the Moscato gets flowing) along with lectures on how the white man takes everything, leave the special plate alone.

http://afroculinaria.com/2015/11/22/how-to-survive-black-thanksgiving-as-a-non-black-guest/

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How to Survive Black Thanksgiving as a Non-Black Guest (Original Post) Blue_Tires Nov 2015 OP
We definitely know how to throw down......I miss the big family gatherings. ...BAD. nc4bo Nov 2015 #1
Throwing down - essential! Kber Nov 2015 #2
Sweet potatoes!! Dry ass turkey!! We even used to have rabbit. Fried corn and MASHED POTATOES!!! Number23 Nov 2015 #6
Let me tell you what I just did.... nc4bo Nov 2015 #16
Tell me more! Tell me everything!! Number23 Nov 2015 #18
Rabbit AND Venison JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #25
JAG: The Ultimate Carnivore Number23 Nov 2015 #32
Coming from a Southern Protestant white family, I approve of, and take exception to, no. 9. :) eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #3
All of it rings true, Especially #12! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #4
GOD, I miss black Thanksgivings!!!!!!!! Number23 Nov 2015 #5
Awww! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #7
Not even close!! Number23 Nov 2015 #8
Oh, man! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #9
Well damn KOB, now I'm all moist around my eyelids. Stephanie Mills? Home? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #39
Oh yeah! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #46
well, as a non-black family member, this primer is a little late. kwassa Nov 2015 #10
BT, you have simply GOT to read this Number23 Nov 2015 #11
Brilliant... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #30
This is excellent! leftofcool Nov 2015 #12
My immigrant from Italy husband JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #13
Happy "Early" Thanksgiving!!! onpatrol98 Nov 2015 #14
LOL! Digital Puppy Nov 2015 #17
WHAT KIND OF COBBLER!!??!! A sista needs some freaking DETAILS!!!! Number23 Nov 2015 #19
Peach, girl!!! onpatrol98 Nov 2015 #20
Oh my God... peach cobbler!!! You are KILLING me!! Number23 Nov 2015 #21
The peach cobbler died... onpatrol98 Nov 2015 #40
Let us all have a moment of silence for onpatrol's peach cobbler... Number23 Nov 2015 #43
Yep!!! onpatrol98 Nov 2015 #47
Haha! lovemydog Nov 2015 #50
rofl lovemydog Nov 2015 #24
Black Twitter was awesome yesterday. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #15
Sigh. I knew there would be a #21. pnwmom Nov 2015 #22
Man, I'm stuffed just reading that. lovemydog Nov 2015 #23
You'll have to wait until the Moscato is flowing. redwitch Nov 2015 #26
Fair enough. lovemydog Nov 2015 #31
I don't even know how to respond to this. "Candied parsnips"? First of all....Eeewww! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #27
I have done many things with parsnips…. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #29
I am probably the least adventurous person you'll ever meet. I stick the to the basics, which I.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #38
Though white get the red out Nov 2015 #28
"And now I am missing all four of my Grandparents, and my Dad, in a bad way." Number23 Nov 2015 #33
Number23 you sound so homesick! redwitch Nov 2015 #34
Oh God, I am BEYOND homesick. But it was actually get the red out that said he was missing his Number23 Nov 2015 #35
His great granddads would have been appalled. redwitch Nov 2015 #36
We had a good one! get the red out Nov 2015 #41
That sounds wonderful. And I am so sorry for doing the classic mistake of assuming you were a "he" Number23 Nov 2015 #42
I miss all of mine too. redwitch Nov 2015 #37
This was so fun to read! scarletwoman Nov 2015 #44
Well, the parsnips were roasted today .. kwassa Nov 2015 #45
I'm kinda glad it's over and I can rest now Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #48
Ha! This is my experience every year! zappaman Nov 2015 #49
I said this in another thread DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #51

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
1. We definitely know how to throw down......I miss the big family gatherings. ...BAD.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:04 AM
Nov 2015

My fam was small but we had our thing but hubby's huge family T'day OMGAWD - a hoot and share many of the descriptions above.

Good times, fantastic memories.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
2. Throwing down - essential!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:38 PM
Nov 2015

Some of the above resonates (sweet potatoes), some less so.

Love to all families this Thanksgiving in any and all events!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
6. Sweet potatoes!! Dry ass turkey!! We even used to have rabbit. Fried corn and MASHED POTATOES!!!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:43 PM
Nov 2015


nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
16. Let me tell you what I just did....
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:26 PM
Nov 2015

Cooked my collards, spooned them out (minus the green juice), put them in a foil tray and covered w/sheet foil then into the fridge. Done!

Now for the good part!

Got a cup and dumped the likka into it and now have a refreshing beverage now....and some for tomorrow with the cornbread

Can't tell me nothin!!!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
18. Tell me more! Tell me everything!!
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:07 PM
Nov 2015

What are you serving with the collards?? Do you put ham in them? I used to LOVE mine smothered in tomatoes.

What are your thoughts about fried corn?? Pro or con?? What kind of gravy are you going for?

Girl, help a sister stuck in a country that doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving (let alone black and/or Southern Thanksgiving) out!!!!

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
25. Rabbit AND Venison
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:52 AM
Nov 2015

My mom would throw her part French ovaries around with the Lapin Au Vin and then tip of the hat to my dad's mom with the handed down roasted venison recipe!

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
3. Coming from a Southern Protestant white family, I approve of, and take exception to, no. 9. :)
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:21 PM
Nov 2015

Unlike Italian families crying "abbondanza!" WASP kids are more likely to hear "leave some for the others", even when there's enough for an army. Something about a love of sacrifice. A dinner where I'm encouraged to fill up my plate ? Great ! Better than the local Chinese all-you-can-eat buffet !

But I strongly disagree with any suggestion of holding back on collard greens or candied yams.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
4. All of it rings true, Especially #12!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:43 PM
Nov 2015

We've learned our lesson from our young vegetarian/vegan/raw members that's actually helped increase the list of good recipes over the years.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
9. Oh, man!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:56 PM
Nov 2015

At least I know that you've got 2 beautiful homes, beautiful girls that we can celebrate with utmost gratitude. Bless you, Number23. "You've got a world full of love"

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
46. Oh yeah!
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:26 AM
Nov 2015

No matter where I've lived, away from or close to family, that song just grounds me and voila, I'm home

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
10. well, as a non-black family member, this primer is a little late.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:37 AM
Nov 2015

Last year, there were 99 of us. My wife's father is one of nine children, and they all had lots of kids, and grandchildren, etc. This is not the entire family, just those that chose to show up.

This was the first year I was the only white person there. Usually, there are at least two or three.

So, they rent out a 4H hall and it is a massive pot luck. Most of the food is what is mentioned above, though there were a couple of things that I never heard of. And where is the hominy?

Most of the family doesn't seem to drink, though there is a small core of guys slipping outside for some moonshine.

and the local specialty is white potato pie, a regional thing. No peach cobblers at all.

After dinner, the tables are cleared to play a mass game of pokeno, while some of the guys are off in a side room watching football.

And there is way too much food, and people fix themselves massive styrofoam containers of leftovers to take home and feed themselves for a long time. Often, multiple containers.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
13. My immigrant from Italy husband
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:13 AM
Nov 2015

Choked on his espresso reading this piece ths morning!
Great find an accurate.

He says I should do one for how to survive Your First Italian Sunday Lunch and start with -

It last ten hours!

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
14. Happy "Early" Thanksgiving!!!
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:27 AM
Nov 2015

Today, I start my cooking...dressing, cobbler, macaroni & cheese, etc...somehow my mother promoted herself to a supervisory role...she's a hard taskmaster!!! I'll do the dressing and pies today.

You guys are great. Remember no political talk over the bird tomorrow...unless all minds agree. My oldest son is feeling the bern. I've warned him, then put on some sunscreen before you come over. Tomorrow is a day to be thankful that we'll have made it another year together. I know my family has lost loved ones this year. Probably, most families have. Not to mention, to say he's outnumbered would be an understatement. He can try to recruit AFTER Thanksgiving on his own time and with his own meal...chicken nuggets, if he wants too.

DU seems about the same. I just read Bernie was BLM before BLM and was making history to boot. I thought, oh well...why not? It's DU after all. I don't know he's making history. We've had both Jewish men and socialists run for President. But, I'm okay with that. Now, he's more black than black folks...yeah, whatever??? I'm unwilling to attempt any of the mental flips that reasoning would require.

I cannot wait until the primary, no matter who gets it.

But, I'm thankful for all of you. You make DU make sense. And, that ain't easy. This place is a nice, tiny oasis...sitting in the midst of some of the craziest writing I think I've ever seen in my life. But, we all know people like that in real life, right...That co-worker In the corner cubicle with the picture of the flower and cats on her desk...who no one wants to sit next to because she's constantly saying strange stuff, and she's the only one that doesn't know it. Some other coworker tried to tell her, but her feelings got hurt...so now you just leave her alone. Yeah, that's DU.

Happy Thanksgiving!!!


Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
17. LOL!
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:04 PM
Nov 2015

You had me chocking on my dinner with the imagery of that special someone at work....I have that same co-worker. Thanks so much for your post.

Have a great Thanksgiving!!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
19. WHAT KIND OF COBBLER!!??!! A sista needs some freaking DETAILS!!!!
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:09 PM
Nov 2015

Peach??! Apple??! WHAT dammit??!!

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
20. Peach, girl!!!
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:35 AM
Nov 2015

You should have seen it bubbling!!! I've threatened everybody in the house. That pie has got to live to see tomorrow! I usually cook two...but thought, naw...it'll live. But, you can't turn your back on these people for a minute. I think I saw someone take some ice cream out of the freezer...don't even think about it. There are two potato pies...they're already bargaining for one. I don't think one of those are gonna make it to the table.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
21. Oh my God... peach cobbler!!! You are KILLING me!!
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

Hold the sweet potato and pumpkin pie though. Me and orange pies do not get along.

I think I saw someone take some ice cream out of the freezer...don't even think about it.

Hee hee, you know they are just WAITING for you to look away for a hot milisecond, don't you?? Girl that cobbler and that ice cream will be GONE and you'll just see some folks rubbing their bellies and looking happy as hell.

Man, I am sitting here just imagining a hob, bubbling peach cobbler. The smell of peaches and cinnamon filling up the whole house. Y'all are KILLING me.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
40. The peach cobbler died...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 07:22 PM
Nov 2015

It was half eaten by morning. I had to bake another for Thanksgiving dinner.

Someone mentioned politics while I was holding the cake knife. Full order was promptly restored!!!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
43. Let us all have a moment of silence for onpatrol's peach cobbler...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:53 PM
Nov 2015

We all like this...



and onpatrol's family that ate that sucker are all like this



lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
24. rofl
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:39 AM
Nov 2015

So true. I picture some folks as 'that really angry dude who doesn't stop lecturing everyone.'

Yes indeed, this place is 'a nice tiny oasis...sitting in the midst of some of the craziest writing...'

HT to you too!

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
22. Sigh. I knew there would be a #21.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:05 AM
Nov 2015

Gluten is that stuff that could make a child with Celiac vomit all over your nice Thanksgiving table.

Or the adult with gluten sensitivity bleed intestinally the next day.

Unfortunately, it's often a hidden ingredient.





So I follow rule #26, the vegan rule.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
23. Man, I'm stuffed just reading that.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:31 AM
Nov 2015

Okay, a couple of questions.

What's chess pie?

What's 'the look that Mr. Johnson gave Ray'?

Happy Thanksgiving one and all!

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
26. You'll have to wait until the Moscato is flowing.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 07:29 AM
Nov 2015
LOVE this, makes me wish I was going to Black Thanksgiving today.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
27. I don't even know how to respond to this. "Candied parsnips"? First of all....Eeewww!
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:36 AM
Nov 2015

And secondly, .

Thanks Blue, I needed this today.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
29. I have done many things with parsnips….
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:15 AM
Nov 2015

ALL of them mentionable by the way….

but never candied one.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
38. I am probably the least adventurous person you'll ever meet. I stick the to the basics, which I....
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:43 PM
Nov 2015

admit, can be boring. But I don't want "candied parsnips" EVER! Hope you & yours had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
28. Though white
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:17 AM
Nov 2015

I get the feeling while reading this that my Kentucky mountain raising would decently prepare me. And it would be hard to find someone who actually said Grace longer than my Papaw did. And it was dressing back home too.

My uneducated guess is that there are similarities between celebrations in many family oriented cultures.

And now I am missing all four of my Grandparents, and my Dad, in a bad way.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
33. "And now I am missing all four of my Grandparents, and my Dad, in a bad way."
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:37 PM
Nov 2015


Happy Thanksgiving, get the red out.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
34. Number23 you sound so homesick!
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

Just finished our Thanksgiving, my husband, me and our 2 sons. Nuthin' fancy but yummy. Youngest son ate a Paul Newmans frozen pizza. Sigh. No idea where I went wrong with that one!

Missing all of those who sat at the grown up table.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
35. Oh God, I am BEYOND homesick. But it was actually get the red out that said he was missing his
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:11 PM
Nov 2015

grandparents and father. The holidays are so bittersweet, aren't they?? They can be so joy filled one minute and the next you are reminiscing over people long or recently gone or things/places you may not see again. *sigh*

But the idea of eating a Paul Newman frozen pizza on Thanksgiving is easily the saddest thing I've heard all day. Good grief! He would have been banned from even sitting at the Tgiving table in my grandad's house which was our meeting spot.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
36. His great granddads would have been appalled.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:43 PM
Nov 2015

It's a good thing he is such a dear boy.He will eat pumpkin pie with us so that's something.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
41. We had a good one!
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:24 PM
Nov 2015

My husband and I took my Mom and his two grown nephews, who didn't have plans, out to eat at a nice restaurant. We had a good time, and being true Kentuckians, talked a lot of basketball.

Before we left for the restaurant, I picked Mom up at her assisted living community and brought her over to watch part of the National Dog Show with our Border Collie licking her face.

It was all good! New but good!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
42. That sounds wonderful. And I am so sorry for doing the classic mistake of assuming you were a "he"
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:49 PM
Nov 2015

If anybody should know better about making ASSumptions, it's me!

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
37. I miss all of mine too.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:02 PM
Nov 2015

And my mom as well. All those beautiful people sitting around the table at my grandparents house at the grown up table were all younger than I am now. I get a bit melancholy thinking of them at the holidays.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
44. This was so fun to read!
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:16 AM
Nov 2015

I'm just an old Minnesota lady, born and bred, and of Norwegian descent, to boot. Never been to a Black Thanksgiving, but have also never had a Thanksgiving without candied sweet potatoes - absolutely obligatory.

And, in a perhaps ironic twist considering the OP, this year we were graced by the presence of my youngest niece's black partner - and I mean "graced" in every sense of the word. This lovely man took on the cooking of the turkey and the making of the gravy - and OMG! it was so delicious and perfectly done that we were all practically swooning at the table!

I do believe he survived our "Northern White Thanksgiving" quite handily - I just hope he's prepared to be recruited to cook the turkey from here on out!

And the dear young man earned extra points with me when he saw me paring parsnips while the turkey was cooking - his eyes genuinely lit up: "Wow! You're doing parsnips! I love parsnips!"

Yup, just like candied sweet potatoes, parsnips are obligatory at our White Thanksgiving. (but NOT "candied" - *shudder* - I've never heard of such a thing!)

Anyway, the only looks exchanged around our table were great big smiles.

I hope all of you had a wonderful Thanksgiving Day!

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
45. Well, the parsnips were roasted today ..
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:12 AM
Nov 2015

With the other roasted veggies.

Smaller family turnout, only about 80 or so. Food, football, and pokeno. A great time. Many great dishes

And white potato pie for desert!

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
48. I'm kinda glad it's over and I can rest now
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:56 AM
Nov 2015

Seriously, everybody in this house does and are sleeping back as I finish up some bits of work-work. All quiet and peaceful on the Western Front.

We kept it simple and impromptu, cooking, cleaning, munching and drinking all day long. Then went to see my dad. Luckily, he'd been asleep all day, the nurses updated us earlier, and he wanted to rest some more when we got there. I can't believe I miss the long, long, long prayer from him before feasting this year.

Looking at my dad now, I remembered our first year here, he was so excited for Thanksgiving holiday, more than even before Christmas, that he wanted his family so badly in the States to experience. He and his group of friends, who journeyed together as young men, used to meet at each others apartments and do their own African thing, with turkey, of course, and lots of drinking

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
51. I said this in another thread
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:46 PM
Nov 2015

My gf and I lived with my black friend for six months when I lost my home. We spent holidays like Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter with him and his family...Except for some greens the fare seemed pretty Middle American to us...


I can remember as a kid going over to my friend's home whose mom was from Italy and whose dad was Italian American for Thanksgiving...They would have traditional Thanksgiving fare but they also would have Spaghetti and Lasagna.

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