I was just on a jury of another member here who has 4 hides. Please be careful!

[pnwmom]

The vote was 5 - 2 to leave it. But it should have been 7 - 0.

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Must have been the same one I was on...

I didn't really understand the post or the alert so saw no reason to hide. The default should be to leave it in the absence of a good reason to hide.

The two who voted to hide gave no reason-- a member could have been on a timeout for no known reason.

I wouldn't mind seeing a rule change where a hide requires an explanation or it doesn't count.

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. I'd bet the two hide voters ...

Did so based on who wrote the alerted on post.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. Of course-- we've all seen that happen far too often.

[Cha]

21. "I wouldn't mind seeing a rule change where a hide requires an explanation or it doesn't count."

That would at least something!

[Digital Puppy]

2. Can you please post a copy of the jury decision along with the thread cited? n/t

[pnwmom]

4. Here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251886744

On Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:14 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Apparently the GDP rules have changed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251886744

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a call out of volunteer hosts. Doesn't even make sense - starts an off topic thread to whine about another off topic thread. He was informed (in that thread, by a host) the other post he is whining about was deemd ok. This is just disruptive

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:32 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Eh, I think the topic is Bernie Sanders, as that is the last link in the OP. The other stuff doesn't look too disruptive to me, and would be a Host issue anyway.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't understand this post, but that doesn't mean it should be hidden.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a waste of everyone's time. Please reserve the jury system for actual problems.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't get it.

[betsuni]

7. I'd assumed this was about KMOD and was correct.

I see her posting and think, oh good she's back, and the next thing I know she's gone again.

[KMOD]

27. I'm here now though.

Love you, Betsuni.

[betsuni]

33. Please be careful.

Love you, too!

[Cha]

22. Thank you for that, pnwmom.. and the warning!

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Good heads up but

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In a weird way - Trump has inspired me to be more outspoken about Right and Wrong.

If someone is pushing something that I know to be wrong and/or doing it cosistently - or I don't like them - I'm stating it.

It's not a personal attack to say, "I simply don't like you or your beliefs". I'm not doing that person any favors by not correcting them. I'm not doing the country any favors by pretending that everything everyone thinks that is wrong, bigoted, racist, sexist - is aok.


For being honest? I will take a hide.

It's not like I have to do time or pay a fine. They can't come kick my ass. And if they do show up ? They are going to encounter a former Italian Marine Sharp Shooter and his wife who has daily dealings with CBP, Fed Marshalls, DHS, and FBI. Send me a threatening letter you are going to be in big trouble.

[Coolest Ranger]

5. There is a growing set of posters

who are looking for any excuse to silence people by making silly alerts

[JustAnotherGen]

11. And they are spoiled petulant

Little brats for doing so.

Just be glad they aren't your partner or spouse.

I'm full of bitchery today and have not one fuck to give after what I read on that thread.

[Coolest Ranger]

17. I just trashed a certaing roup where all the post lately that make it to the trending page

have come from. They aren't changing my mind at all

[JustAnotherGen]

20. I trashed the Sanders group not long after he announced

My opinion? Zero value to my life.

[Agschmid]

38. The other day someone had bouncy smilies and such for silencing another poster.

Right here on DU.

Disgusting if you ask me, but unfortunately not unexpected from that one.

[Coolest Ranger]

40. What I want to know is

where are these so called threads attacking this so called candidate that they say is happening?

[Agschmid]

41. Honestly they start half of them, "I saw this..."

And then it becomes a whole big thing.

[murielm99]

25. I am at the point, too, where I don't care

if I get another hide. If something needs saying, I am going to say it.

If I call them bullies and they say, "prove it," I don't have to do that. If they are liars, I will say so. This crap is getting old.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. Exactly muriel99

I'm an O'Malley supporter - and one even tried some nonsense in that group with the biggest sweetheart at DU ever a few days ago. I really did NOT post my immediate reaction. I pm'd the person who was disrespected. I waited.

Then I had to go back and make mischief.

Mischief, call outs, telling it like it is - all good reasons to take a hide.

And all you have to do is throw out words like, "burn book" to point out to people they are as my dad used to say -

Acting The Fool.

[KMOD]

29. Exactly, JAG.

I also will not censor myself when it comes to posts that are clearly wrong.

[TexasProgresive]

6. The reason for alerts on nearly every jury I have been on have been puzzling.

If the alerter is not being vindictive the only reason I can see for the alert is a misunderstanding. I confess that I alerted on a post and that was the case. I realized it as soon as I submitted and wished I could take it back. Fortunately the jury was intelligent in their deliberations and did not vote to hide. If I was on a jury to keep or lose the jury system I would vote to vote to lose it. The problem is what would replace it.

Suggestions I think would improve the system:
1. When a post is alerted the poster is sent a message which allows them to edit or self delete the post.
2. A reasonable time limit on alerting a post, say 2 hours max, after that the alert is null.
3. A verdict to hide can be appealed.
4. Member's profiles should show an alert history for all to see.
5. Alerts should not be anonymous.
6. A daily, weekly and monthly limit on alerts. Say, once per day, two per week and 3 per month.

[bvf]

8. All excellent suggestions, IMO.

I'd modify #1 to limit the number of times a user could take advantage of this indulgence. Presumably, users do a certain amount of self-policing before they post. The need to do so would be greatly reduced with this. Now, while I think the vast majority of users are adult enough for this not to matter, a handful of them might be encouraged to indulge in whack-a-mole-style monkey business.

WRT #2, I think a 6-12-hour timeframe would be more reasonable. (Is there currently a limit at all?)

##3 through 6 would solve just about any gripes I've seen about the current system.

[TexasProgresive]

9. Thanks but I don't have much hope for a change

I tend to vote leave it on almost any jury I am on. The few I vote to hide are outrageous ad hominem attacks. There are probably other exceptions but it requires a lot of thought for me to vote hide.

[bvf]

10. Me neither, truthfully.

Still, it's good to see perfectly good suggestions for improving a system that lately seems to be little more than a plaything for serial abusers.

I'm with you in that I rarely vote to hide except in the most extreme cases. What really ticked me off a while back was reading one juror's blatant admission (in the jury results) that his/her vote was based solely on the "offending" poster's candidate preference.

Based on that episode, if I had to choose a single one of your suggestions to lobby for, it would be the one allowing for appeals. I can't believe the admins would let a hide stand in view of something like that.

[betsuni]

16. The last jury I was on another juror wrote "Hillbots are annoying" when the OP

never mentioned either Clinton or Sanders. I guess there are a lot of mind readers here.

[bvf]

18. The system is really messed up, that's for sure.

Your experience (coupled with mine) shows that there are at least two chuckleheads around DU who neither know nor care to take jury responsibility seriously.

As I said above, I think most DUers act like grown-ups. Sad that there's currently no means to ensure it holds true for everyone.

As an aside, congrats on your 2000th post!

[betsuni]

19. Oh, thank you. I didn't notice -- 2000 posts!

I feel more like a real grown-up now.

[KMOD]

30. lol

I love you.

[Cha]

24. That guy should look in the mirror and stay away from jury duty.

[betsuni]

32. The projection is bizarre.

So many posts describing "Hillarians" and "Hillbots" as complacent elitists too stupid to understand the importance of the next election, demanding they EXPLAIN THEMSELVES. A nice Hillarian tries to explain and suggests that most people don't like to be called idiots, and this results in an avalanche of threads about how most posts are anti-Bernie-supporters. Talk about annoying.

[Cha]

34. Oh yes.. poor misunderstood bernies.

"..Complacent Elistist" here..

ROFL..

[betsuni]

35. And what is it with the cryptic insinuations (and outright accusations) that a Democratic politician

would pay people to troll a Democratic website? Am I missing something?

[Cha]

36. No, you're not missing anything.. that's their latest desperate ploy that

makes them look.. well, desperate. And, I know of at least two who got well deserved hides for accusing Hill supporters of that very thing.

[randys1]

43. I can guarantee you Karl Rove and his minions pay people to post and call

arguing that Hillary is the problem, not voting is better than voting for her, etc.

[Agschmid]

39. You can alert on juror comments, and then they loose jury privileges.

Several people are no longer allowed to serve due to them abusing the system.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. You should post this to ata

They never come back here.

[Cha]

23. Thank you.. I can tell you've been thinking about this unfair fiasco!

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. The only thing I would add is ...

As someone above mentioned ... votes to hide should require an explanation. That wouldn't stop the bogus hides but it would make it clear that the hide was bogus.

[randys1]

13. I dont know what happened here, too complicated to follow.

Jury system is horrible, moderators and administrators is how message boards are handled.

You see if you leave it up to a LIBERAL to decide, people like me would not have to bite their tongue 73% of the time like I do now.



All the years of experience I had moderating the Randi Rhodes board is probably why I have made maybe ONE and only ONE alert since I have been here.

In other words, I would rather beat down the assholes bullshit argument rather than censor it.

[KMOD]

26. I remember when I first joined DU

We had a PM conversation, and I told you that you were one of the smartest posters, and how I admired you.

Can I now add that you are also one of the sweetest, and kindest as well?

[pnwmom]

28. Good grief. I do not remember that, KMOD, but thank you so much!

I know I always am happy to see your name on a post because it will be worth reading.

[KMOD]

31. awww, thank you for saying that.

You are one of the best.