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FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:42 AM Jan 2016

Fighting for the Black Vote.....

How easy is it to win the Black Vote?

Perhaps it's as easy as comparing yourself over and over to Pres. Obama, in shadowing the hurdles Obama faced running for the Presidential nomination as a Black man.

In other-words, Hillary Clinton can be called on her Wall Street ties, her establishment links, one not to be trusted, that Republicans hate her and will come out just to vote against her so she can't win, and discussion made about her Husbands infidelities as they relate to her are pretty much par for the course. But discussing Bernie Sanders and his ideas and his chances at the general election are off limits and they cannot be analyzed or criticized, as he will then compare himself to Obama, a Black man? Is he intimating that the critiques about his campaign are racial? That he is actually Black and so these are racial insinuations?

I don't particularly think that is how a White man wins the Black vote....but maybe it is just as easy as that! Add in a Pic of you at a March that isn't really you, and presto chango, that Black vote is yours for the taking?

Sanders says the flak he’s getting from Clinton reminds him of what Obama got in 2008.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/23/sanders-says-the-flak-hes-getting-from-clinton-reminds-him-of-what-obama-got-in-2008/
Remember that? Eight years ago, Obama was being attacked for everything. He was unrealistic. His ideas were pie-in-the sky. He did not have the experience that was needed. You know what? People of Iowa saw through those attacks then, and they’re going to see through those attacks again.”


Here's what I will say about running as President while Black-

First, let us agree that being born of a particular race is not something that one controls.

Let's also establish that in order for Obama to win as the first Black presidential nominee, he had to be "perfect" in terms of what and who he represented. Obama, in order to pass muster with the White electorate, had to be young, tall, handsome, hip, charming, and Christian! He also offered skilled oratory, a fascinating life story, a beautiful young family to show while having gotten the best of education; Columbia and Harvard Law and as Pres. of the Harvard Law Review. Even beyond that, he offered himself as a moderate Democrat who came from a large mid-west state with roots in another state (Hawaii), who had been elected to the senate for a short while.

After all of those qualifications were met, Obama than ran a campaign that had never been seen before on a Hope and change platform of restoring the Nation to a semblance of what it had been prior to Bush taking office with some improvements added! His platform was ending the wars while reestablishing our image around the world via diplomacy, bringing back our economy from the brink, providing affordable health care insurance to more Americans (as affordability was diminishing at an alarming rate). An overwhelming majority were war weary and financially fearful after America had suffered 8 years under Bush, who was at the height of his unpopularity throughout the 2008 election.

It is only my opinion that Sanders is not like Obama, as he doesn't have many of the personal attributes and qualities that Obama offered, but also because the circumstances and the particulars of each man and times are quite different. 2016 is not 2008! Obama ran in 2008, after Bush had screwed everything up. Obama was precisely able to win specifically because an overwhelming portion of the American electorate wanted change from Bush and that GOP disasters! Sanders isn't running in that environment!

Further, if Obama looked and sounded like Bernie Sanders, and shared some of Bernie Sanders other attributes and offered a similar platform, I don't know if Pres. Obama would have been elected in 2008. But of course, that's only my speculation!

The only similarities from my standpoint is that Sanders has, like Obama did in his election, captured the hearts and minds of the disgruntled Liberals (and honestly, most of them didn't appreciate Pres. Obama at all from day one...even if they voted for him) , the young idealists who believe anything is possible (since they know that electing a Black President was an impossible that did happen), the folks who aren't looking past the pro arguments that the Bernie Supporters have discussed because they like the platform so, and those who not only believe in what Bernie is offering but also quite dislike Hillary Clinton, and what they believe she represents. Beyond that, the two men are like Night and Day!
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Fighting for the Black Vote..... (Original Post) FrenchieCat Jan 2016 OP
Has Sanders forgotten that alot of the attacks that Obama has gotten the last few years... Number23 Jan 2016 #1
Hello there Number23! FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #2
You've got to check out the "Hillary ain't Harriet Tubman!1one" post in GDP Number23 Jan 2016 #10
Hey Frenchie ! jaysunb Jan 2016 #3
Hi there Jaysunb.....! FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #4
Hi FrenchieCat! lovemydog Jan 2016 #5
Well, nice to meet you... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #6
Nice meeting you too. lovemydog Jan 2016 #7
+100 JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #9
+ another 100! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #14
"those folks who won't be able to hang in there while ya'll get your revolution on" Empowerer Jan 2016 #11
Well done - so glad to see your thoughts here JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #8
Bingo! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #12
Thanks so much for the lovely post, FrenchieCat! BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #13

Number23

(24,544 posts)
1. Has Sanders forgotten that alot of the attacks that Obama has gotten the last few years...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jan 2016

have come from HIM???!!

Add in a Pic of you at a March that isn't really you, and presto chango

Wait, what??? When/where did this happen?

And you're right, the two men and even their campaigns could absolutely not be more different. In 2008, black folks waited for white folks to come to our candidate. This year is the complete opposite and many white liberals are waiting for minority voters to come to their candidate. It's not looking as though that's going to happen.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
2. Hello there Number23!
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:13 AM
Jan 2016

Glad to see you again my Friend!

There sure is an almost frenzied and hauntingly desperate attempt going on right now to flip the AA vote prior to SC fr sure! It's kind of being done in a clumsy way, IMO....and pretty transparent to most.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
10. You've got to check out the "Hillary ain't Harriet Tubman!1one" post in GDP
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jan 2016

It's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen here but I've seen SOOO much worse posted to these boards.

The real issue with the piece is the caliber and class of folks that are racing to high five it. That in and of itself tells you ALL you need to know.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
4. Hi there Jaysunb.....!
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:26 AM
Jan 2016

Came back due waking up and realizing I needed a candidate,
and then shortly thereafter, smelled desperation fumes in terms of the "black vote" thingie seeping through the computer
to where I couldn't help myself!

First it was the Cornell West endorsement (big lol),
then the Pic of someone, but not Sanders, In Selma (felt that was in bad taste, nearing fraud)
and then Sanders comparing the attacks against his campaign with the attacks against the Obama campaign,
not understanding that when you're White, you need to think about what you are insinuating, as we know what prompted
those attacks, but It appears that reminding Black folks was worth it (he doesn't quite get that if Obama forgave for
those inferences, its time to move on) considering that what would hurt Black folks the most is if this government ended up with 100% GOP rule, which in my opinion is what would happen if Sanders got the nomination!
Plus, I've had a few of my FB Sanders supporting white friends approach me with comparisons of Sanders and Obama in various ways....which almost sounded like talking points gotten from elsewhere....or maybe Sanders supporters just talking to each other, and coming up with these "selling" points of their candidate to lure in Black folks....

But I guess time is getting short for the Sanders campaign, and although they claim that Clinton is in desperation mode,
they are somewhat projecting, and it is showing....

the point now appears to be....get that Black vote....like its a "thing" to acquire.

Those things just haven't sat well with me, and some other folks I know in the Black community around my neck of the woods,
in our last few conversation on politics.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
5. Hi FrenchieCat!
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:25 AM
Jan 2016

Great post. Yes, the times are quite different now than in 2008. As you say, each president is uniquely a person of their times. By helping stabilize the disastrous economy, I think Obama and those who went along with his plan helped paved the way for the more clamoring voices of even higher expectations among some on the left.

I hope to make an informed choice on who can best build on that legacy and will of course support the democratic nominee and hopefully President. I'm still looking at O'Malley because in him I see some of the youthful enthusiasm and interaction with urban problem solving that I saw and see in President Obama.

I was fired up & ready to go in Obama's campaign for the nomination & general election. I'm still emotionally invested in his presidency and will continue to be so in his legacy. It has personally transformed me in the sense of growing more comfortable expressing myself with people I love. And in not being ashamed to present a positive, optimistic outlook. I'm more into seeking warmth and meaningful dialogue, which makes me feel less alienated.

In this primary race, I like all three candidates but I'm not as emotionally invested. As you may know I'm a white guy. I'm more about listening and becoming more interconnected this time around. I feel loving and sharing all around me. In my private life I'm concentrating more on that and it has made me grateful of those with whom I choose to interact. I guess you could say it's been a paring down process. Discarding those who are toxic and freeing myself from them as much as possible so I feel rested and then contemplative (like, to read books and watch movies). Then I can feel refreshed and interact with my friends & loved ones in a more invigorated manner, in the present.

I've learned that while I still have a lot of fire in terms of anger at poverty and injustice and the dismal state of things here and in the world at large, I've learned to reject the politics of personal hatred and divisiveness. I've learned this from Obama and from the Barack Obama group and from this group and primarily from people offline who I admire & respect. Regardless of who they support in the primaries. I'm not sure that I agree that Sanders is running while black, but I will reflect on it more and will listen to how others here are feeling. I most definitely feel alienated by some of his more ardent supporters. Not only for some of their personal antagonism. Also for some of their ignorance of history and civics while self-righteously spouting on and on about it like they are some 'expert' when all they sound like is a broken record.

The primary in my state doesn't roll around until June, so it's fun observing. Meantime I enjoy being a little more distant (and perhaps objective) about all the candidates, and watching the roller coaster ride from the sidelines. I cherish and am grateful for the friends I've made and will continue to make along the way. Just my two (or more like five!) cents.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
6. Well, nice to meet you...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:51 AM
Jan 2016

and my husband let me know not to get too invested in attempting to save the world....
So voting and donating, and when issues come up that I keep thinking about, I'll write an essay or two.

I'm not here so much to convince anyone, as much as provide them with information...
as I understand that in the end, we all have one vote, and it is up to every individual!

Now, I just had someone on a FB group I belong to tell me that if Sanders isn't elected, they are not voting, period.....
This is not a Black person....
but anyhow, her words:
"I've been a Democrat since I turned 18 in 1993, and will be the first time since that I don't vote for President of the United States. The corporatism MUST end!!!"

my response was....
"I'm glad to understand more clearly what a Bernie Sanders Supporter believes. Thank you for that! Glad to know that you don't really give a damn about those folks who won't be able to hang in there while ya'll get your revolution on, and would prefer to set us back 30 years in order to make a point! Well, lets just hope it will be worth it to you, who evidently has nothing to lose."

So then she responded....
Clinton round 1 already wasted 20+ years! And a political revolution is the only thing that will save people barely making it!



Personally, I'm not into threats and blackmail.....vote for my guy or else I'll blow everything up!
But I read some more of the same over on DU....

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
7. Nice meeting you too.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:11 AM
Jan 2016

I especially agree with what you said here: 'Glad to know that you don't really give a damn about those folks who won't be able to hang in there while ya'll get your revolution on, and would prefer to set us back 30 years in order to make a point!'

Hope you enjoy a great rest of the weekend.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
11. "those folks who won't be able to hang in there while ya'll get your revolution on"
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

that is so exquisitely spoken - I plan to quote that line as often as possible . . .

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
8. Well done - so glad to see your thoughts here
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:17 AM
Jan 2016

You've articulated what I've thought but have not been able to clearly express.

Number one being - if Obama had run as Sanders is (revolution) he would have lost big.

Number two - and not really a part of your post - but there seems to be zero acknowledgment in the Liberal/Progressive base that same of us might have thrived during the Obama Administration. Not just black folks - all of us.

In 2007 I was an early supporter of Edwards because he dared to speak a word that Democrats fear - poverty. I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that it is better to lose big in 2016 - than have a *insert hyperbolic name before* Clinton. Except, she won't destroy the social safety net - they know that. But, they won't admit it.

Neither will O'Malley who time and again I read "I like but" . . . But he has Executive experience and that's too Corporatist for President.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
13. Thanks so much for the lovely post, FrenchieCat!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:20 AM
Jan 2016

You have very well summed up my own thoughts. I hadn't even thought about Prez O trying to run on the same kinds of ideas in 2008 as Bernie is in 2016 and possibly being unsuccessful as a result, but that is an excellent point.

One difference with that point though is that Barack Obama in 2008 still could count himself politically as a lifelong Democrat. Bernie officially became a Dem only to run for the Presidency. While it is true that Bernie has always caucused with/generally supported Dems, he refused to join the party until 2015. Yet Bernie's supporters see no "weathervane" or self-interested aspects in that - although too many of them on DU bash HRC constantly any time she even seems to change her mind whether that change is a desirable evolution or not. What's sauce for the gander is evidently not sauce for the goose.

This sentiment was in my FB timeline today and I may add it to some of my DU responses today if it is too long for my subject line.

Don't get sucked in by Republican trolls pretending to be progressives bashing some Democrat. This is a funded GOP effort to divide Democrats and get us to not vote unless our pet candidate is the nominee. ANY Democrat is better than EVERY Republican. Keep that in mind and vote!


I am a Hillary supporter. If by some circumstance, Hillary is not the Dem nominee, I will support whoever is. Period. Point final. Bernie is an excellent candidate. But he is NO Barack Obama and will never - ever - have the same experience, qualifications, personality, or charm. Barack Obama is unique.
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