Hey, "Lecture The Black Folk 101" class has started and some of you are late

[randys1]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1097083

[KeepItReal]

1. Thank you for leading me to Terrell Jermaine Starr's WaPo column

Good stuff there:

Sanders had bungled his outreach to the black base. Though he spent a lot of time talking about economic inequality, his message seemed aimed at the thousands of white liberals who attended his rallies. A month later, I accused his white online supporters of condescending to black people who weren’t sold on his civil rights record.

I’ve heard these concerns echoed throughout the black community. Just a few days ago, Fordham University political scientist Christina Greer said that, “in the rush to make it all about class, you turn on your blinders to certain things that quite frankly aren’t about class … [Sanders is] missing a very large piece of the puzzle, and what makes some black voters nervous, there seems to be a huge gap in his understanding about race.”

...

This isn’t an endorsement — I’m a reporter covering the 2016 race, and I’m keeping an open mind. But after hearing black women like Garner explain the intersection of economic racism and police brutality, I’m willing to think of Sanders as an advocate for black people, someone I should cover seriously.

This doesn’t mean Sanders couldn’t do a better job of drawing these parallels himself. He still has a lot of work to do to earn the black vote, but let’s not pretend he hasn’t improved his message at all since Netroots Nation. He has.

[randys1]

2. If only they would tell the truth as to why they post it at DU...

It is yet one of dozens of examples of lecturing to DU POC.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. I could easily point you to doznes of examples of OPs by straight DUers lecturing LGBT about various

candidates and positions, including threads in which you took part without having any criticism of the fact that it was yet again straight person taking the pulpit to address the world on LGBT issues and to inform LGBT of our best interests.
That's really just politics. But it is a very, very regular feature on DU. We just went though the whole Human Rights Campaign dust up in which many,many straights on DU harped at me that I should not call then establishment even thought they have betrayed the transgender community, endorsed Republicans and anti choice candidates and also those who oppose affirmative action. How many OP's about that? How many were by LGBT?
Why is it permitted to lecture LGBT if one is straight? You take part in that. Why do you think that is ok?

[randys1]

7. Show me where I ever lectured LGBT community, once, ever...please

show me right now where I take part in lecturing LGBT, please..you said I did...

if you can find me lecturing that community, as opposed to remarking in a thread where others do, I will promptly apologize

Unlike some here, when I am wrong I always admit it and when an apology is due I always submit it.

In fact I hope you can, I know I have a lot to learn about different communities, and making mistakes and correcting them is a good way to learn.

.....

Wont change the fact that the discussion we are having now is about lecturing, now will it.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. I said you took part in such OPs without objecting to the lecturing by those outside the community.

And you did. Straight people do that on DU all the time. And you never, ever object to your own fellow straights preaching and lecturing at, to and about LGBT. You know that is the fact, don't even try to play.

How many OP's in the last month about LGBT in GDP? Now how many were posted by straights? Answer is virtually all of them. Ordering us to obey them. Not ever listening. Telling. Own your work.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. You are not in all of these, but some....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511031610#post6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251906827

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251906915
Your response to the straight author of that thread: "You do have to get a kick out of some folks who dont give two shits about the LGBT community unless they see a way to BASH someone in using them." Very ironic as straight on straight dialog.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511054265#post6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141318567
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511030251

I could do this all day. Literally. It's very easy to do. Straights do this all the time. Own your work.

[randys1]

13. Still waiting for a post where I lecture the LGBT community, I will gladly learn from it if it exist

Or you could go to the time where I was half assed defending the pope for not being 100% horrible (instead only 90% horrible) given he is liberal in comparison to others, and you reminded me of his horrid position on LGBT and I instantly acknowledged that, you or someone else

You could do that, but you wont...

[Bluenorthwest]

10. You are not in this one but the thread has good comments and the OP is yet another straight person

doing the lecture about teh gay:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027293084

[1StrongBlackMan]

11. ...

Show me where I ever lectured LGBT community, once, ever...please

Or, where any African-American weighed in on Human Rights Commission ... other than to acknowledge the endorse.

[randys1]

12. Stay away from the thread I linked, I was hidden, of course. More to say

but as I am being stalked by many here, i dare not

[Cha]

22. So Sorry, randy~ they cannot handle the truth.

I don't go into GDP for just that reason.

[JimDandy]

3. The author of the article is AA!

[randys1]

4. That article has NOTHING to do with what I am pointing out

Last edited Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)

That most of these folks cant see this, still, might explain why it is still happening here

[JimDandy]

5. The DU model is based on posting media content and commenting on it.

There is nothing else posted BUT a link to the article! What are you saying...that if the person posting an article written by an AA isn't AA themselves, then it is lecturing POCs?

[JustAnotherGen]

15. Group Host

Step Away from the thread - we have plent more in the group that are just as important.

[Gore1FL]

14. My God! Someone posted a link to an article and used that article's title for the thread topic!

The Humanity!!

Are you upset that the article disagrees with your position? Or that the African American author is the one disagreeing?

The only thing that is clear is that you are butthurt over something.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. Go away - Group Host

There is a thread in GD and you came in here hostile. Go back to GD.

[Gore1FL]

17. Will do. Sorry this was linked from that thread

Didn't realize I was in a Group.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. Thanks

[JustAnotherGen]

19. Posted to for later but

We are going out for dinner in a bit. Stay calm, back away don't llet this get you on a time out.

[Bobbie Jo]

20. Results

Why was this even close??

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Hey, "Lecture The Black Folk 101" class has started and some of you are late
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Poster links to an op who only posted a link to an article by an AA author, there is no lecture. This is a callout and a personal attack, accusing another poster of lecturing "black people" when he doesn't even know if that person is a PoC.

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[Cha]

23. HaHA! The AA Forum gets to Discuss what they want in spite of the intruding lurkers.

How bout they mind they own damn business?

I like #7!

Thank you, Bobbie Jo!

[randys1]

24. i cant post in GDP any longer. Not allowed, liberals stay away from GDP

[Cha]

25. I took myself away there.. I don't want to.

Much better off!

randys!

[JustAnotherGen]

32. What's funny is in the other thread

A person actually attacked this entire group and got away with it. There's a reason that person is blocked -

Note - when we are an option for you - your voice is no longer a priority.

[wildeyed]

21. The well has been poisoned

but they can't seem to stop. Don't let them get you down

[Bad Dog]

26. I don't even know what you wrote

But what is clear that on a thread about the black vote, white jurors have decided to block the opinions of a black man. I can see why you're pissed off, I would be too.

[randys1]

27. If you mean me, I am not Black. I wrote that we see a lot of lectruring on DU

to Black folk about why they should vote for Bernie.

But just repeating that here, even in AA group, is risky, I could be permanently silenced any minute now.

I say permanent, technically that isnt true. I guess until one of my other hides where I called out racists on DU falls off.

Even posting here in AA I BARELY escaped being hidden and silenced, it was 4-3. Clearly some folks on DU dont like it when I tell the truth.

[Bad Dog]

28. I did mean you.

And I'm sorry for making assumptions, but your point is still relevant. I've seen it a lot on other forums, and it's extremely patronising.

[randys1]

29. Thanks, the lesson here that I finally learned is I cant post anywhere but AA group

Maybe it will be safe for outspoken liberals to post in GDP after the primaries, not sure.

[Bad Dog]

30. To be honest I'm sick to the back teeth of all this Sanders/Clinton vitriol.

It's been going on long before Jeremy Corbyn even stood as leader of the Labour party. Now he's been leader for about four months. I didn't vote for him, I voted for Andy Burnham, but I accept the result and think the party needs to fall in line behind him. There were disagreements between the various supporters but nothing like the level of nastiness and character assassination evident in the Sanders/Clinton groups.

The only people it's helping are the Republicans.

[randys1]

31. And helping the cons is the goal by some here and out there. Karl Rove and friends are getting

good at social media.

Some of the vicious and relentless attacks of our candidates come from well meaning but politically immature people who dont see the damage they are doing, and some comes from the rightwing by planting people here.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Didn't even open that

Glad to see this thread

[Digital Puppy]

34. Randy...I'm Rec'ing this to show support for your/our struggle against stupidity & ignorance

Hang in there man!