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Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:02 PM

Annette Nance-Holt: "If my child is dead he can't go to college."

http://nypost.com/2016/03/29/hillary-cracks-up-at-joke-about-bills-affairs/

Clinton was also flanked by Annette Nance-Holt, whose son Blair, 16, was shot and killed in Chicago, and Wisconsin Rep. Gwen Moore.

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Nance-Holt praised Clinton for reaching out to mothers who lost children to police or gun violence.

“That other candidate on the Democratic side did not reach out to us,” Nance-Holt said of Bernie Sanders. “You want my vote, you better work for it. She’s working for our vote. I’m not going to give it you just because you say you can do free college, because if my child is dead, he can’t go to college,” she said of Sanders’ popular college plan.

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Reply Annette Nance-Holt: "If my child is dead he can't go to college." (Original post)
pnwmom Mar 2016 OP
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #1
pnwmom Mar 2016 #2
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #3
Wilms Mar 2016 #4
pnwmom Mar 2016 #7
Wilms Mar 2016 #8
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #9
Wilms Mar 2016 #12
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #13
Wilms Mar 2016 #14
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #17
Wilms Mar 2016 #20
FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #15
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #16
Jamaal510 Apr 2016 #38
Wilms Mar 2016 #18
mcar Mar 2016 #21
Wilms Mar 2016 #22
rbrnmw Mar 2016 #35
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #32
pnwmom Mar 2016 #33
Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #5
pnwmom Mar 2016 #6
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #11
rbrnmw Mar 2016 #37
JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #40
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #10
rbrnmw Mar 2016 #36
M0rpheus Mar 2016 #19
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #23
Uponthegears Mar 2016 #24
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #25
Uponthegears Mar 2016 #27
Jamaal510 Apr 2016 #39
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #34
KeepItReal Mar 2016 #26
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #28
KeepItReal Mar 2016 #29
JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #30
pnwmom Mar 2016 #31

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:06 PM

1. Putting aside the obvious Bernie/Hillary part of this, I am reminded of how we 20 years ago

were taught a lesson that police departments were racist and that it was time as a nation to resolve that, per the OJ trial and Rodney King and so on.

So, 20 years later and look at what we have.

In some cases it might even be worse, as I am reminded of so many recent deaths.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:14 PM

2. Angela Davis recently had an interview where she was asked why

she wasn't endorsing either one of them. She made the expected criticisms of Hillary, from Angela's point of view as a "radical activist."

But the reason she won't endorse Bernie is because of his blind spot on racial issues. She thinks he thinks everything can be reduced to economic inequality and she disagrees.

With regard to your point, I'm not sure it's worse now -- but we, as a country, have been turning a blind eye to it and now we can't. Obama's Presidency has forced us to confront it.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:19 PM

3. Eight years of a black man in the white house and we still have large scale racism

in our institutions.

Someone like Angela Davis can be expected not to support either, makes sense to me.

Hell, I think it makes sense if the entire black community sat out some elections, they wont but it would make sense.

You see the problem of racism and being shot for being black is not of their making, so they cant fix it. The only people who can fix it are white people and there seems to be a whole lot of them whining about not voting if their candidate doesnt win.

They make me mad, nobody else, really.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:19 PM

4. What will Hillary do to combat racism? n/t

 

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Response to Wilms (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:54 PM

7. The first step is to acknowledge that it exists, and that a program

meant to "rise all boats" won't solve the problem of racism.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/racial-justice/

She had a major address on these issues in the fall of 2014, before she started her campaign in 2015.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:57 PM

8. Oh, please. It's acknowledged, near universally...

 

...except for people who, you know, "have black friends".

So what is that supposed to do? And what else is her plan to bring racists to heel?

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Response to Wilms (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:18 PM

9. You don't really care

You just want to argue.

As much as I'm sick to fucking death of Hillary vs Sanders fights taking place in the Group when unless it's that fight the general membership ignores us (just like America at large until it needs to blame something on us) - I'm going to leave the OP and let's you guys duke it out.

Hint - other ways black children die -

Inadequate pre natal care
Lead paint
Poisoned water
Unfair treatment in emergency rooms/doctors offices even by BLACK doctors


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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:28 PM

12. This is a protected group.

 

If I'm violating it's ToS I'll leave without the need for the jurors.

That said, "you don't really care" is an incredible assumption you've made, based on I do not no what.

Here's what I said:

Racism is widely acknowledged and that acknowledgement has meant only so much. So what action will an HRC admin do to combat that.

Now, you point out, and I respond:

Inadequate pre natal care...Sanders health plan
Lead paint and poisoned water...Sanders infrastructure plan
Unfair treatment in emerging rooms/doctors offices even by BLACK doctors...I have NO idea what to do. But I'm listening.

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Response to Wilms (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:44 PM

13. Those weren't for me

Those were for you to answer / debate with pnwmom.

I don't believe in Sanders plans or that he will accomplish it so those are wasted words on me.

But since you pointed out -

White people will be livid if one single woman who is black gets access to prenatal care is not married and or under the age of 18. It will be just like the New Deal - skin color based means testing.

Infrastructure is 5/6 years off. You need to train all of the black and Latino kids America cheated out of fair elementary, middle and high school education - who won't meet the standards for the free college. Business As Usual until then.

Last one - go one step more -

I'm 43 black and rich. What happens if I get breast cancer? I'm much more likely to die than a white woman on the poverty line as the best care is reserved for her.

Sanders wants to tax us an additional 30k a year - when I need that money to fly to Rome, rent an apartment and undergo treatment to have a shot. Just received my Italian citizenship. My answer? Leave us alone. If I have the access to go and be treated like a human being - shame on America for not giving us the same "virtue of womanhood". This country has reaped what it has sown - my cynical attitude and desire for self preservation.

This country takes and takes from black people and we are supposed to believe in a second New Deal now? After the massive cheat and tax grab on the last one?

When a country shows you what it is - believe it.

In the meantime the woman highlighted in the OP has a right to smirk at Sanders. She earned it with tears!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:56 PM

14. I sincerely appreciate your response.

 

And I disagree with many of the positions you stated. Vigorously.

But at the same time, I recognize that "This country has reaped what it has sown" and how that credibly leads to a "cynical attitude and desire for self preservation".

I am truly sorry for this mess. I think your view is wrong. But I think I "get" what you're saying, too.

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Response to Wilms (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:27 PM

17. Black women being more likely to die from breast cancer is not a view

It is a FACT - 42% higher death rate.

Red Lining and keeping blacks corralled for 38 years is a FACT - not a view.

Many black "professions" were left out of Social Security - another FACT.

As a result of red lining - there are severe disparities in pre University level ability.

Free College -
Can come after a 3-5 year implementation called Even It Up. A black family making 31K a year in Newark NJ shouldn't have to pay another 3k in taxes a year to send a white kid from Edison to Rutgers - until they see their grade school receieve the same equipment and tool as the Edison School District. Prove to us you really intend for ALL to be able to get into and succeed at Rutgers. Tax me another 10K to do it. Spread that money out across the weakest school districts in the country. You want to kill charter schools in Newark and Christian schools down South? Show those kids parents we want strong across the board public schools.

And how can you disagree with someone getting better healthcare in another country? My dad joked right in front of my husband after we got engage - I don't know G - she might just be out for an Italian health care card!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:37 PM

20. Hang on. I didn't mean to suggest that.

 

I am aware of the shitty health care Black women receive, even with really good plans. Though I didn't know about the AA docs.

?Would Sanders not agree about the situation in Newark. I do. It's a great point you make.

AND your dad cracked me up...you Gold Digger!

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Response to Wilms (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:08 PM

15. Oh, please....

All of the issues Bernie rails about are acknowledged....

Sure, Wall Street bad/Main Street good,
sure, A college education shouldn't leave those graduating in debt,
sure, the 1% have more than the 99%....
sure, there's too much money in politics....
Sure, would be great if we had single payer healthcare
And?
What's his railing about the issues supposed to do?

Bernie Sanders is the exact candidate who knows how to tell one what the problem is,
and yet has presented unrealistic solutions that would not pass congress....

So what's Bernie's plan besides a "revolution"? Please do tell!
Are the solutions he proffers ones that he can actually get done
without congress? Will he dictate to Cities and Towns and States what they
will have to do? Will he decide that Gun Control was a great idea after all?
Or is it the revolution (that ain't materialized) that will solve all problems?
And tell us how this hypothetical revolution solves racism?

So somehow, if Hillary points out that the first thing that must be done is to acknowledge that racism exists
(cause many White Folks don't think that it does...hence "All Lives Matter",

And yet your response is "What is that supposed to do?
and what else is her plan to bring racists to heel?"....as though that is the only thing she suggests?



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Response to FrenchieCat (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:12 PM

16. One phrase and one word make my skin crawl

"New New Deal"

And

Revolution

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:26 AM

38. Those words

have pretty much lost all meaning this election season, along with "corporatist" and "3rd way". That's how much I've heard them.

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Response to FrenchieCat (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:28 PM

18. Most of that CAN be legislated.

 

As POTUS, he gets the bully pulpit. Obama didn't use it to reign in the banks, he instead brought them into his cabinet. Same with insurers.

Voters are flocking to his message. Why would he stop hammering it, especially if confronted by recalcitrants?? Call 'em out.

As to racism, has Sanders NOT acknowledged it? (As if we've not beat that subject.) And what is it that Hillary WOULD do? Please specify.

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Response to Wilms (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:48 PM

21. Voters flocked to President Obama's message

And he has used the bully pulpit and executive orders very well. Still, we are where we are. How will Bernie, with less support from the public and Congress, accomplish so much more?

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Response to mcar (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:55 PM

22. Gees. Reread what I wrote.

 

Uh. Bernie gets elected and gets LESS support for sticking to his word?

k

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Response to FrenchieCat (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:49 PM

35. Come on now he said he would make McTurtle look out the window.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:56 PM

32. "Racial inequalities" or economic inequalities?

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:58 PM

33. Thanks for the correction. Yes, I meant to say the latter. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:49 PM

5. What is the solution to black on black crime?

 

How do we reduce those numbers.

Chicago had almost 3000 shootings last year.

I agree that it needs to stop, Im just not sure how. I dont think any candidate has a plan either.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:53 PM

6. The number of shootings could be reduced through better gun control.

Hillary is much stronger on gun control than Bernie.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:25 PM

11. Ask him about how Black CEOs can be racist

Go ahead!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:53 PM

37. your kidding right?

wow

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:03 AM

40. Nope

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7392005

As found in his journal:
By that standard. . . .

An unemployed white person has no power and can not be racist, yet a black CEO has tremendous power and the ability to be racist.
Posted by Travis_0004 | Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:38 PM (1 replies)

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:18 PM

10. Same solution as white on white crime

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:52 PM

36. exactly

somebody sure is sounding like Rudy Guliani

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:29 PM

19. Please stop with the Black on Black Crime.

I do not understand why people on this site use that God d... forsaken frame.
People of a race generally suffer violence at the hand of someone of the same race. The only reason "Black on Black violence" is a thing is because it puts us (black people) in relief compared to the supposed "norm".

You want to talk about the causes of inner city violence? That's great! But if you want to be heard, start with dropping this GOP meme.

This Sanders voter would appreciate it.






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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:30 AM

23. Thank you

And thanks for that awesome gif!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:57 AM

24. You know

 

That I support Senator Sanders

BUT, even so, I am asking you to reconsider and shut down this string. When I start seeing the phrase "black on black crime," I start seeing people who really don't give a damn about me.

That being said, I trust your judgment.

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Response to Uponthegears (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:37 AM

25. I hate to do that

I locked and unlocked a thread last week -

It's something I've probably done three times since I've been a host of several years.

But you are right - black on black crime is actually a 'dog whistle' that seems to be only black folks and those who are intertwined in our lives can hear - eh?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:01 AM

27. Thanks

 

I appreciate you more than you can know.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:28 AM

39. +1

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:02 PM

34. What is the solution to white on white crime?

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:54 AM

26. Nothing on her asking Chicago mayor Rahm to resign for hiding cop killings of Black males

Nor anything about Hillary raising money from NRA lobbyists - even though Hillary "pledged to be tough enough to take on the gun lobby"

Just like she was tough enough to tell Wall Street before the collapse to "Quit it!" ?

I am pleased to see Sec. Clinton now has a Racial Justice platform, though.

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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:54 AM

28. Why would a non government official

Ask Rahm Emanuel to resign? Why would she take that up?

Like - can we get real? She and Sanders can go to Chicago tomorrow and lead a protest and it is not going to happen. He has no respect or consideration for anyone but himself and that's been apparent since he called us 'retards'.

The people who need to demand that are the citizens of Chicago.

As awful as Christie is - I'd be pissed if some outsider demanded he resign. Phil Murphy (running for governor of NJ) I'm fine with that -but Clinton? Sanders?

Forgedda 'bout it.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:49 PM

29. Hillary is now a mere "non governmental official"?

Every citizen has a right to speak out against injustices. That right doesn't stop at the Cook County line.

His chief of police was fired, head Prosecutor voted out, and yet the man in charge still remains.

Hillary and Rahm go way back to the Clinton administration. You won't admit that her loyalty to him (or patronage) trumps asking him to resign over his heinous acts.

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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:54 PM

30. Yeah - she is

And I'm writing in O'Malley in June.

I'm not admitting to anything. You'll have to take it up with Clinton Supporters you wish to "win over". You won't win me.


I think this vicious back and forth 'taking Clinton and Sanders' out bullshit at ANY cost to the General Election is shitty. And don't give me that nonsense about "vetting" that Sanders and Clinton supporters are always bashing each other over the head with here.


Question - Did Sanders ask? What did Rahm respond with?


ETA - Never mind - I found it. Evidently he chickened out and stopped just short


http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/tough-words-from-bernie-sanders-on-rahm-emanuel/
“The city of Chicago should sue these banks for fraud and put public pressure on these wealthy bankers to protect Chicago’s most precious asset – its children,” Mr. Sanders said. “The reality is that there wouldn’t be a budget shortfall if Chicago had refused to pay Wall Street banks like Goldman Sachs and Bank of America over $500 million for risky financial schemes that were marketed as a way to finance the public school system.”

The senator stopped short of calling for Mr. Emanuel to resign. But he said that if he lived in Chicago, he would join the efforts to have him step down. Many Sanders supporters in Chicago have been demanding the mayor resign for months.

Adam Collins, a spokesman for Mr. Emanuel, said in a statement Saturday night that Mr. Sanders’s comments were “the kind of typical campaign rhetoric you get this time of year.”

“The Mayor is proud to have actually implemented a program to provide free college tuition in Chicago, instead of just talking about the idea,” Mr. Collins said. “On Wednesday Bernie Sanders will leave town and take his empty promises with him, and Mayor Emanuel will be right here doing the hard work to move Chicago forward and create opportunities for our residents


What's funny is there was no way Sanders WAS getting an endorsement from Emanuel. Maybe Clinton can now say she's glad she doesn't have an endorsement from Killer Mike!

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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:53 PM

31. She used the same lobbyist/attorneys that MANY UNRELATED CLIENTS used

and is no more responsible for her lobbyist/attorneys' OTHER CLIENTS than you are responsible for the clients of any professional you ever use.

And unlike Bernie, she voted FOR the Brady bill and AGAINST the bill that overturned liability laws in 50 states that pertained to gun manufacturers and dealers.

She also didn't vote for the bill that protected the armed, vigilante Minutemen from having their locations divulged to Mexican border authorities (which Bernie did, followed by the "everybody does it" excuse.)

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