African American
Related: About this forumHow is denying the evolution of Racial science ...
any different than denying climate science?
Both are anti-intellectual, both cling to the status quo, and both stand in the way of finding solutions to our toxic environment.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)what's the "evolution" of racial science? Is it making a comeback?
"Racial science" as I understand it, isn't science at all, just bigotry in drag and deserves even less time than creation "science".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"Racial science" as I understand it, isn't science at all, just bigotry in drag and deserves even less time than creation "science".
Then you, clearly, do not "understand" it.
Good News, though ... you can do something about that; or, not.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)in order to expand my horizons, I did several searches on variations of racial science, and every one of them came up with vast amounts of Nazi experiments, Jefferson's theories on race, and other such stuff attempting to "prove" that several races (no, these geniuses didn't forget to classify Orientals, Native Americans and others) were inferior to us northern European types.
I found nothing to imply that such "science" is anything but justification for racism and bigotry.
So, you know of another avenue for this research?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I should have been more clear. By "racial science", I am referring to the academic work of social scientists.
My post was out of frustration with some here that reference "Webster's" dictionary and Pre-Civil Rights Era writings in their defining the term, "Racism."
And their refusing to even consider that the academic understanding of the phenomena has evolved ... even when pointed to sources that indicate as much.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)seems you're about the evolution of understanding of racism and language.
Things have changed a lot since the pre-civil rights days, but some still don't get it.
When I get a chance, I'll dig into some of the stuff in this group. Sounds like it could be interesting.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Get some popcorn ... and a bottle of aspirin.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)Eugenics. In the study of racial science and racism, good place to start.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that is/has been widely panned as junk science, that is not taken seriously in academia?
wryter2000
(46,045 posts)I guess Charles Murray is no longer taken seriously. That wasn't always so.
I never goes away. I just lies dormant for a while and comes back.
Have you read Stephen Jay Gould's excellent The Mismeasure of Man? Must reading on he subject.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)from anything but peer-reviewed works, and then, only from established journals.
No ...I am not familiar with Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man; but am always looking to expand my library.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)yet it is helpful in understanding how one group can be misled as to their racial superiority by data that is flawed but still widely referred to by racists. I think. I do agree with junk science analysis, though. Yet this "junk" science is still used in some circles today in the 21st century. I'm just trying to help poster understand one of the roots of racism. That's all.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)A repeat offender.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)When someone is PPR'd, do all their posts in all threads disappear too? Or, just in the offending thread?
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I believe this particular person has signed up five or six times today.
If you missed the posts, you didn't miss much.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Each one upset at your definition of the term "racism."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)does/did someone have to alert on the post to get him PPR's.
If so, THANK YOU my anonymous benefactor!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)This made me laugh out loud in the middle of the night!
Even though it's only a temporary time out, I won't miss our "friend" jumping into all the racism/sexism threads, like:
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that makes it a spot on choice?
M0rpheus
(885 posts)My new job has crazy hours, but I've been (mostly) keeping up when I get in.
Lots of head shaking but mostly I'm
at the same old strategies at work from the same old posters (minus one).
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)I just find it easier to communicate my thoughts this way.
But you are always there in the thick of it with the facts.
Here's what I see when you pop into "those" threads:
You're getting it done out there.
Just sayin...
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)Really... I just find them and post them, as I see em.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)from the GIF Master.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)We are still doing the 12th man dance out here! And playing that air guitar:
Ah, be still my heart! And such a sweet man, too:
Sheshe and I have a major crush on Richard Sherman!
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I love the play on words - but to be honest with you - I don't want to come off as a 'rad fem'.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)you can be a 'sex-positive feminist' ... just like him! That would be acceptable here.
sheshe2
(83,758 posts)Snort~ nailed it, 1SBM!
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I was making fun of earlier today! I even had to throw a Boondocks gif at him.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I want to see the GIF.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Poor el bryanto was trying to do a good thing and I think some fool signed up three times to be a jackass.
All I could think was: This is why we can't have nice things.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I miss all the fun.
randys1
(16,286 posts)white person experience racial animosity in America?
Jesus, talk about delusional.
Look, people, this is how simple it is.
If you are white in America (you can also put male in the same place for misogyny) you DAILY receive BENEFITS from racism ongoing today, even if you are the most liberal white man in America, the least racist (like me) you are still racist (like me) to the degree that you derive benefits from racism (misogyny and males works too here)...
Not complicated and not one bit debatable.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I have no doubt that some, even many; but nowhere near most, or all, white folks have suffered racial animosity in American ... with the frequency/likelihood, in a direct relationship with their proximity to PoC, and increasing where the people are in competition for resources.
We all hear the stories of the lone white kid getting beat up by Black kids for no apparent reason than their being the white kid (though MY anecdotal experience would have it that the (perceived) "weak"/"uncool" kid gets beat up, regardless of race; and the (perceived) "strong"/"cool" kid does not. In my later life's experience (as a bar-tender in a "Black" bar), I found that white folks were, if not exactly welcomed, not messed with, in Black spaces ... so long as they did not act the ass).
But racial animosity should not be confused with racism.
randys1
(16,286 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2014, 03:30 AM - Edit history (2)
I was going to make an OP to ask AAs if they thought I and others were right or wrong, as we tried to call out what we saw as racist in an OP in GD.
I saw it in the same line as the way Trayvon was treated. Our teachers are patiently telling us what we object to is a compliment and we just don't understand the nuances.
They are really being nice and polite, but that's what it boils down to, for me at least. Don't know what you would think.
I figured this wouldn't be any news here and didn't want to start a fuss by linking it in AA. It'd get locked, so we would not get to talk about it here.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I want to see this!
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I certainly want to attend.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Feel free to steal.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)humph ... I can't wait. {1SBM heads off to start a thread entitled, Dr. MLK and DU Liberals: What would he say? ... Please Stand By!
M0rpheus
(885 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)Because, I know it would be turned around on me due to the violent imagry. "Oh, so now you want to beat up whitey" would then be the conversation...
That said, I smile every time I see a place that this GIF should be dropped.
On edit: After I stare at the screen like this for a full minute, marvelling at what I see as stupidity.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I've been accused of 'Not being white.'
Same look as that pic, so many times.
Why would that be a disqualifer?
The other charge I've had leveled is 'You must not be all white.'
My brain is controlled by melanin, uh.
I mean, really, folks?
Then claim that they are color blind?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You did this without me!!!! What about meeeee!!!!! Nobody messaged me.
I blame nostalgia for this "clinging to old definitions" from times long past. Many refuse to agree on definitions in order to not have the conversation. I believe many fear having to do something about it themselves and want to be acknowledged as the 'real' victim or see something inside of themselves that resemble the nastiness of racism. TBH.
sheshe2
(83,758 posts)However I found this....
I don't know how I missed this one. May Quinnox RIP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024869010#top
bravenak. I haven't talked to you in awhile, how are you?
Gotta go, getting late.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That was a great thread he ripped that off from. I'm good, just finding real life gets so busy in the summer. The sun sets so late that i just stay up hanging with the kids. Good night!
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)On that one!
To be honest though - in my advanced years . . .
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)What aspect of racial science, or scientific racism are you referring to? Or do you consider the two terms separate and reference different phenomena?
The climate change deniers deny the science that leads to the presumption of climate change caused by changes in environmental factors. How is that analogous to race science?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I probably should have said, "the study of racism."
Those that argue wish to argue the Webster's definition of "racism" are denying that, with the study of the phenomena, social scientists have gained a better understanding of how racism works ... just as with the study of climate change, physical scientists have gained a better understanding of how climate change works. In both instances, the scientist have, largely, abandoned earlier explanations.
Peregrine
(992 posts)The study of racism is a social science and not real science. The only entry into the scientific field is in Evolutionary Psychology which at this point in time is basically crap, I mean a pseudoscience. Much like most of the field of psychology, outside of behavioral psychology.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The Social SCIENCES aren't science? That's a rather narrow view, not shared by many in the academic world.