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Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:49 PM

 

Winds of Winter - Do You Still Care?

So I enjoyed Martin's Game of Throne series. Although the books are based on historical events (like the Wars of the Roses), there's some good story-telling going on, some really interesting characters (if they don't die), and for me some memorable lines (Ned Stark "dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.". That said, I've sort of moved on from the books now that the HBO show has passed them and ruined a lot of the open story lines. I'm sure I'll purchase Winds of Winter when (if) it is released, but wish Martin worked a whole lot quicker on books 6 and 7.

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Reply Winds of Winter - Do You Still Care? (Original post)
ClarendonDem Dec 2017 OP
yallerdawg Dec 2017 #1
sweetloukillbot Dec 2017 #5
ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #8
sweetloukillbot Dec 2017 #11
TDale313 Dec 2017 #2
ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #3
TexasProgresive Dec 2017 #4
murielm99 Dec 2017 #6
Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #7
sweetloukillbot Dec 2017 #9
Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #12
sweetloukillbot Dec 2017 #10
PoorMonger Jan 2018 #13

Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:59 PM

1. I don't care about the books now...

and if they delay the HBO series until 2019, I won't care about that, either!

Can you imagine how many loyal readers have died waiting for the book series to continue and conclude - and now the TV series?

There is no excuse for what Martin has done.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 06:40 PM

5. Writers block?

General annoyance at supposed fans demanding he write faster, or even worse, wonder who will finish the series when he dies?
Assholes that harangue him at conventions and online?
Other projects he's interested in working on?
Having a life outside of the keyboard?
Depression and anxiety?
As Neil Gaiman succinctly put it, "George R.R. Martin is not your bitch."

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 07:57 PM

8. I certainly didn't claim that Martin

 

Was anyone's bitch. But he's made millions of dollars from folks who buy his books, with the expectation that Martin will finish the story. And of course, harassing Martin at a convention or otherwise is completely unacceptable.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 08:23 PM

11. No offense intended - I get knee jerk reactions about complaints about authors' writing pace

I run in fantasy book circles, and Martin hate is pretty common. Even worse is Patrick Rothfuss hate, that is downright toxic, and part of me hopes that Rothfuss never finishes his series out of spite.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 06:04 PM

2. Yeah, still want to see how Martin wraps it up.

I suspect the books, if he finishes, will be fairly different. Major beats will be shared, but it will not be the same.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 06:06 PM

3. That's what I'm hoping

 

There are characters in the books the show never touched, or never developed. But wish Martin would pick up the pace.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 06:11 PM

4. I gave up on GRRRRR (that's me growling) Martin ever writing the rest of the books.

The last one was supposed to be ready for years before finally published. He and his TV series can rot.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 06:56 PM

6. +1000000

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 07:36 PM

7. If ONLY Robert Jordan had been a bit less verbose

and finished the series before he died. Now THAT would have made ME happy.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 08:11 PM

9. Sad thing is people are seriously suggesting Brandon Sanderson finish for GRRM

A) That's morbid.
B) It's such a bad idea. Sanderson cut his teeth on Jordan, and was personally selected by Jordan's wife to finish the books. And he did a good job. But he is in no way suited to take over for Martin, their styles are completely different, and Sanderson doesn't write sex or violence on the Martin level.
C) Sanderson isn't half the writer that Martin is. (And I love Sanderson)

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 08:40 PM

12. I agree. The styles are completely different.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 08:19 PM

10. One thing was how the initial books' releases messed with peoples' expectations

Martin had been working on ASOIAF for almost 10 years before it was released. And Game of Thrones was delayed to allow him to finish Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords. The gap between Storm and Crows was actually pretty typical for his pace, he's not a fast writer to begin with.
And with the higher expectations for Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring I think he's all the more a perfectionist to make sure everything is in place - I expect there is a high level of anxiety mixed in as well, which can be crippling for a writer.

Four years ago I talked with his editor, Ann Groell, at a Con, and she explicitly said she had read the ending of Dream of Spring. I think there are a lot of pieces that need to be put together, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of Spring is written, he just has no idea how to get there. He writes piecemeal, and she edits as he turns in, so it will just be a matter of putting everything together coherently.

That said, I'm hopeful for Winds late this year (and I expect Dream of Spring will be quicker to follow). The publisher will be able to throw the switch and have it on bookshelves in about 6 weeks because so much is ready and waiting (and they'll push it ahead of everything else to speed it up).

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:37 PM

13. Yeah

Still here , and I still care. Havenít watched the show yet either. Some people think Iím crazy for it but I donít mind. When I started reading the series years ago the 4th book had just come out. I flew through them.

There are plenty of things to read while Martin writes. I do think the series stands up as one of the most compelling things Iíve had the pleasure of reading and I read a ton.

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