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Auggie

(31,169 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 12:51 PM Jan 2015

49ers Jonathan Martin Says He Took Down a Shoplifter at a Los Angeles Mall

After slipping out of national headlines as the subject of bullying with the Miami Dolphins, San Francisco 49ers offensive tackle Jonathan Martin is making news again after allegedly taking down a shoplifter at a Los Angeles mall.

Martin tweeted to his 25,000 followers Thursday evening that he "took a dude out" who was attempting steal goods from a Versace store.

In an interview with Shutdown Corner's Kristian Dyer, Martin fleshed out the story of the alleged robbery and his swift handling of the situation.

Martin told Shutdown Corner that he ran across the corridor into the store and helped the security guard in corralling the second alleged shoplifter, who was a man larger than the security guard. Martin said he punched the person "five to eight times" until he went down. He wanted to do just enough to get the man to stop fighting so that he could be subdued by security.


More: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2324486-jonathan-martin-says-he-took-down-a-shoplifter-at-a-los-angeles-mall

I'm going to guess Martin is the guy in the shorts:

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49ers Jonathan Martin Says He Took Down a Shoplifter at a Los Angeles Mall (Original Post) Auggie Jan 2015 OP
If only the L.A. Shoplifters were in the NFC West KamaAina Jan 2015 #1
+1 Auggie Jan 2015 #2
Shoplifting is the crime that is committed more than any other crimes in the city I live JonLP24 Jan 2015 #3

JonLP24

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3. Shoplifting is the crime that is committed more than any other crimes in the city I live
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 06:46 PM
Jan 2015

Based on arrest # stats so a more accurate statement is more people are arrested for shoplifting here than any other crime. I went to court for a class 3 trespassing violation (resting/sitting behind a wall of a grocery store near railroad tracks which that narrow piece of dirt was oddly owned by the nearby career educational facility over a block away) but the vast majority of the people that appeared in the misdemeanor court were there for trespassing and all of them were offered the option of entering a diversion program. I don't know why the common retailers offer gift card exchanges for items without a receipt but it is a reason why shoplifting is so common here. Also the Cash for Gift Cards businesses accelerates it by making it easier to profit on shoplifting.

Stealing purses from a Versace store is significantly different but my initial "overkill" reaction was later helped by bragging about it and punching a dude "5 to 8 times", it strikes is he found a conveinent reason "to take a dude down" but the moral motive is just as likely.

Not a whole lot to go on to independently judge, a struggle with a security guard (most common is someone simply trying to escape the grasp of the security officer but if he was using assault to help with that which would be something I wouldn't hold against Martin) would qualify as a good reason to intervene, I don't know if 5 to 8 punches was necessary but not a whole lot to go on here.

The advertising of good deeds on social media I don't understand so much.

The #CivicDuty gives off an impression of a warped vigilante view of civil duty and I only say that because shoplifting is a very low level theft charge, if the item values over $1,000 then it pushes it the lowest felony class. Burglary defined by going into someone's yard or fenced area, garage, residence to commit a theft. It upgrades to robbery if violence or used threat of violence. Bringing a gun to a burglary becomes a robbery. This is Arizona and states likely differ, these basic things are mostly similar. Arizona has some odd things in their theft crimes such as 'Shoplifting was done to promote gang activity' is a Class 4 felony which means it is treated as if it is worse to steal something offer $2000(class 5), $1000(class 6), shoplifting (class 1-3 misdemeanor). I forgot Threat of Means of Transportation which is the Arizona way of saying "vehicle theft" which is the same felony classification as burglary (class 3)

Likely the severity of the crime hinges on how much the purse costs and also if the resistance was passive or violent but simple assault is usually a misdemeanor (California may be different) but "taking a guy out" Civic Duty for misdemeanors is odd. How would performing the civic duty to stop crimes such as Loitering or Prostitution. How about public urination? It is more baffling than anything else really.

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