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yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 08:21 AM Jun 2017

Who invented baseball?



You may have heard that a young man named Abner Doubleday invented the game known as baseball in Cooperstown, New York, during the summer of 1839. Doubleday then went on to become a Civil War hero, while baseball became America’s beloved national pastime. Not only is that story untrue, it’s not even in the ballpark. Doubleday was still at West Point in 1839, and he never claimed to have anything to do with baseball. In 1907, a special commission created by the sporting goods magnate and former major league player A.J. Spalding used flimsy evidence—namely the claims of one man, mining engineer Abner Graves—to come up with the Doubleday origin story. Cooperstown businessmen and major league officials would rely on the myth’s enduring power in the 1930s, when they established the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum in the village.

As it turns out, the real history of baseball is a little more complicated than the Doubleday legend. References to games resembling baseball in the United States date back to the 18th century. Its most direct ancestors appear to be two English games: rounders (a children’s game brought to New England by the earliest colonists) and cricket. By the time of the American Revolution, variations of such games were being played on schoolyards and college campuses across the country. They became even more popular in newly industrialized cities where men sought work in the mid-19th century. In September 1845, a group of New York City men founded the New York Knickerbocker Baseball Club. One of them—volunteer firefighter and bank clerk Alexander Joy Cartwright—would codify a new set of rules that would form the basis for modern baseball, calling for a diamond-shaped infield, foul lines and the three-strike rule. He also abolished the dangerous practice of tagging runners by throwing balls at them.

Cartwright’s changes made the burgeoning pastime faster-paced and more challenging while clearly differentiating it from older games like cricket. In 1846, the Knickerbockers played the first official game of baseball against a team of cricket players, beginning a new, uniquely American tradition.

http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-invented-baseball

Note from Wikepedia:
The evolution of baseball from older bat-and-ball games is difficult to trace with precision. A French manuscript from 1344 contains an illustration of clerics playing a game, possibly la soule, with similarities to baseball.[1] Other old French games such as thèque, la balle au bâton, and la balle empoisonnée also appear to be related.[2] Consensus once held that today's baseball is a North American development from the older game rounders, popular in Great Britain and Ireland. Baseball Before We Knew It: A Search for the Roots of the Game (2005), by David Block, suggests that the game originated in England; recently uncovered historical evidence supports this position. Block argues that rounders and early baseball were actually regional variants of each other, and that the game's most direct antecedents are the English games of stoolball and "tut-ball."[3] It has long been believed that cricket also descended from such games, though evidence uncovered in early 2009 suggests that cricket may have been imported to England from Flanders.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball

1952 World Series, Game 7: Yankees @ Dodgers
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Who invented baseball? (Original Post) yuiyoshida Jun 2017 OP
Thanks for posting GeoWilliam750 Jun 2017 #1
A Couple Points On This ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #2
Everything you need to know about Sticky McSchnickens Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #3
Huh? ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #4
Never Mind ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #5
Rounders with protective clothing... T_i_B Jun 2017 #6

ProfessorGAC

(65,171 posts)
2. A Couple Points On This
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 07:51 AM
Jun 2017

The earliest parts of the game are covered WONDERFULLY in the Burns documentary during "The First Inning" which is a 2 hour piece that runs until, i think, the late 1800's. The Doubleday story is well covered and matches what is described in your post. Bunch of stuff about soliders playing baseball in their down time during the Civil War, and that sort of stuff.

Other point: That first game the Knickerbockers played against the cricket team, they got killed, even though they were playing by Cartwright's rules!

ProfessorGAC

(65,171 posts)
5. Never Mind
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:48 AM
Jun 2017

For some reason when i first saw your post, the video didn't come up. So i had no idea what you meant. I see now.

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