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LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 01:13 PM Dec 2013

Oklahoma lawmakers: No Satanist monument because "this is a faith-based state"

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Oklahoma lawmakers are appalled that Satanists would try to erect a monument in their state capitol, but their decision to include a monument to the Ten Commandments of the Christian Bible’s Old Testament may have placed the state on shaky legal ground.

The Associated Press reported that constitutional scholars and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) agree, if faith-based displays are to be allowed in public spaces in Oklahoma, then a multitude of faiths must be represented, even if that faith is considered repugnant by a majority of the state’s citizens.

The New York City-based Satanic Temple heard about the Oklahoma Ten Commandments display and proposed their own monument to Satan on the state capitol grounds as well.

Before any new monument can go into production, it has to be approved by the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Society. Duane Mass, the architect who designed the capitol building and serves on the preservation board, rejected the idea outright...

More at link

EDIT: And now the Hindus of Ok. are getting in on the action:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/11/hindus-join-satanists-demanding-equal-placement-on-oklahoma-capitol-grounds/

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Oklahoma lawmakers: No Satanist monument because "this is a faith-based state" (Original Post) LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 OP
Satanism is a faith. Pfft the ignoramousi hollysmom Dec 2013 #1
Geez, JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #2
A "faith-based state"? MuseRider Dec 2013 #3
Couple of things for Oklahoma and the people therein Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #4
So do we get a monument SheilaT Dec 2013 #5
Or the invisible pink unicorn LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #6
There's an invisible pink unicorn SheilaT Dec 2013 #8
Satanists often describe themselves as atheists. rug Dec 2013 #7
Exactly why they should take the 10 commandments down. cbayer Dec 2013 #9

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
3. A "faith-based state"?
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 01:23 PM
Dec 2013

Really? What faith is that? Oh yeah.

Shit, I had hoped to never hear anything like that because now I have to say, "coming soon from the state just to your North". Shit shit shit. Brownback will latch onto this like a duck on a bug. <---being way way more polite than I care to be about either state at this moment.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
4. Couple of things for Oklahoma and the people therein
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 02:47 PM
Dec 2013

1: The Ten Commandments have an overtly Jewish message. They predate the establishment of christianity by something like 15 centuries.
2: I'm guessing the people worshiping the evil god of the christians, might be a form of christian.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
7. Satanists often describe themselves as atheists.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 04:55 PM
Dec 2013
The Church of Satan does not "worship" or believe in Satan, nor do they believe in gods. LaVeyan Satanism follows the belief that one's self is their own "God". They do not believe in suppression of desire and human nature. In an interview with David Shankbone, High Priest Peter Gilmore stated "My real feeling is that anybody who believes in supernatural entities on some level is insane. Whether they believe in the Devil or God, they are abdicating reason".[40] Gilmore defines the word "Satan": "Satan is a model or a mode of behavior. Satan in Hebrew means 'adversary' or 'opposer'; one who questions."
Gilmore went on to add "Satanism begins with atheism. We begin with the universe and say, 'It’s indifferent. There’s no God, there’s no Devil. No one cares!"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan#Beliefs



http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Satanism:_An_interview_with_Church_of_Satan_High_Priest_Peter_Gilmore

The converse is not true.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. Exactly why they should take the 10 commandments down.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 07:32 PM
Dec 2013

It has no place in public spaces and those that insist upon it are going to have to deal with the unintended consequences.

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