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(67,405 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Still, other than the fact that it is still the Vatican church, ol' Pope Frank at least is a refreshing change, in some respects, from his predecessor.
I like the decades old Renault, for instance.
But as an atheist, and a thinking person, I still cannot love the church very much. Their position on women and LGBT is positively medieval. Their lack of response to rampant priest sexual perversion is totally hypocritical and unacceptable. Due to these alone, how can they even dare call themselves a moral center?
okasha
(11,573 posts)let's get all those art treasures into corporate boardrooms and gazillionaires' palaces where the Great Unwashed can't just walk in and look at them.
This canard isn't just stupid, it's classist.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)How Randian of you.
Those art treasures, like all great public collections, belong to humanity and are held in trust for the future. Privatizing them, or breaking up the collection, would be a crime.
You can start helping the poor yourself. Tell your congresscritters to stop throwing 57% of the US budget down the military black hole.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)in the bedrooms of the rich.
All day access to the Louvre is about 11 bucks US. About the price of lunch in such a city. Access to the Vatican Museums costs more, though I suppose it is free on the last sunday of the month. Whoopee.
"held in trust for the future"
*snort* Some of it stolen, 'to hold in trust for the future', one presumes. The Chiaramonti Museum paid Mithradates' estate for the Heracles with infant Telephos sculpture right? No? Just put stolen art on display? Okie-doke. Belongs to all humanity? Sure, that explains why pagan art, stolen at swordpoint, is housed there, like the Venus Felix.
As has been said before, see that list of issues/folders on the left? I'm a progressive. I'm down with slashing the military by more than half. Been advocating it for more than a decade. Thanks for asking.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)That'll be $21.78 a head.
Thank you, drive through.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Communists preached atheism originally, not Christianity. And members of other religions help the poor, too.
Most of the services I've attended have been Christian, mostly Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian and evangelical. When I attend Jewish services, though, I am usually impressed by how they are looking around their immediate geographic community and the world for those in need of help and putting forward a specific plan to provide some help. Muslims also have a duty to help those in need. I imagine most religions do.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)See how stupid that sounds?
rug
(82,333 posts)So, that does indeed sound stupid.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Stupid remarks don't really do it.
okasha
(11,573 posts)and near-Marxists out there.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)An insult to good communists everywhere.
eomer
(3,845 posts)a humanist.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist."
He would have had a good conversation with Che.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)The only place it appears is on a twitter feed for a guy named Friedman. Although he attributes this quote to the pope's twitter feed, it appears nowhere there that I can find.
Not sure what the point is, except to incite non-christians by implying that only christians want to help the poor.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)I don't believe the OP or the person who (apparently) fabricated the quote intended it to be flamebait.
I think both simply believe in the harmful meme that "good person" = "Christian."
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Even if the quote is a fabrication there's no reason to suspect deliberate malice. There are people who really do think along those lines - that anyone who does good deeds can be considered "Christian" in an extremely loose sense of the word. This was an especially popular trope among the younger element of the teaching staff during my Catholic school days a brazillion years ago.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)OK. Maybe it's not the pope saying it, but on face value, you don't get it?
How about this:
If a Native American wants to get a job, call him what he is: white.
Does that help a little?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Are you some kind of racist?!?!11!
Just taking care of that knee-jerk distortion faux outrage response right away.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)we are being dismissed as overly emotional. Gee, what other people are routinely dismissed as being over emotional and what privileged group is doing that?
Let me think....
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Pot, meet kettle.
okasha
(11,573 posts)It was the idiotic, elitist canard of selling off the Vatican art that irritated me.
I love how you can say, apparently with a straight face, that it's "elitist" to criticize one of the wealthiest institutions on the planet for not putting more of its vast amounts of treasure where its mouth is.
okasha
(11,573 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)If you were interested in discussion you could clarify your remarks since evidently there is some confusion.
You certainly are the expert on the subject.
Pay no attention to the actual point being made. Your posts are much more entertaining that way.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)"Communists say that all this is communism. Sure, twenty centuries later. So when they speak, one can say to them: 'but then you are Christian'," he said, laughing.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/29/us-pope-communism-idUSKBN0F40L020140629
rug
(82,333 posts)Thanks for finding it.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)A communist.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I am glad about all who share the effort.
We should focus on our commonalities. Statements like this one from the Pope are not helpful. I am disappointed in this.
Julie
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)What about Jon Stewart? If he wants to help the poor, then do we call him a Christian?
What is a Christian?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Wecome to DU and the religion room.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)who help the poor feel about this comment.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)to elicit exactly the reaction that you have offered.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I googled the quote, but I'm not seeing anything. There is a good chance it's fake.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)The pope said so, so that's it.