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Related: About this forumThe Worst Thing about Creationism
Reason, rationality, and science encourage one to sit outside on one of those warm summer nights, pure awe undaunted by the anonymous fears lurking in the dark. They say, Look! theres so much to be known. Dont ever be satisfied with the Universe you know. They teach, Wow! What else is there? They teach that it is not good but stupendously great to wonder and it is even greater to tear that wonder asunder and leave it in shattered little pieces so to discover that, yes, there are still deeper wonders. That is the prize of knowledge. Creationism rejects this beauty.
Of course, none of this says whether one or the other is true. Reality dictates that (and reality has a strong bias toward the truths of science). What this does suggest, however, is that something so vile, empty, and ugly as creationism or petty, little humanoid gods has no place among the robust beauty of science and reason and rationality. Go outside and look at the stars.
http://madmikesamerica.com/2012/03/the-worst-thing-about-creationism/
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)As I was training in bio systems analysis, we joked that when a computer model doesn't square with reality, reality needs stronger bias towards our models!
Yet, it is the conceptualizations of science that must bend strongly toward reality. And they have, which is why those conceptualizations seem to be 'truths.'
humblebum
(5,881 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)(excuse the inside joke)
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)But trying to joke about it now doesn't mean that your broadbrush mocking wasn't meant sincerely the last time.
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cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But thought it would be in poor taste.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)few that I know of have such a limited point of view today, even those who accept the 6000 year idea.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)By the way, you don't have to be afraid to out yourself as a creationist - as I understand, being one is within forum rules. So you can drop the "that I know of" and "those who." "We" is OK.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)LARED
(11,735 posts)Those that believe in a creator fail to see the beauty of the universe because there is a creator of said universe.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)As in, all living species were created as they are. THAT is creationism.
It's like refusing to acknowledge any Physics after Aristotle.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)the material in favor of what they call the spiritual. Basically saying that the universe is a horrible place if there's no god in it. Indeed, some will come out and say it. This is something I simply don't understand, isn't what we know, and continue to learn, about the universe enough? Why wish for more, rather than know more?
In addition, and again I stress, this doesn't apply to all religious believers, but in quite a few I notice a simple lack of curiosity about the universe, indeed, I find it rather off putting, I simply don't understand how someone can lack the drive to want to learn more about the Universe, from quarks to black holes. Hell, I want to learn it all.
Why can't the universe be appreciated for its own sake? It has a beauty that's much grander, older, and deeper than any man made gods, legends, or myths. Even better, we have the tools available to help us understand the workings of these processes, and understand how the beauty is produced.
I would imagine that if there is any god out there that created this universe, the most practical way to understand this god, and probably the way it would prefer, would be through a telescope, or microscope, or even simply through a prism that splits light into its constituent colors. If you want to know god, you won't find the answers in a book, or in a church or temple, but in the night sky, or in a lake bed, or in a forest. Not in any mystical or magical sense, but by looking at what is around us and wonder. After all, isn't the best way to know the mind of a creator easiest by studying its creation?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Honestly, I felt inspired as I read them.
And I think for the first time, I absolutely agree with you.
Dorian Gray
(13,549 posts)perspective that I've never really thought about before, but I do agree. Creationism is really limited and lacks beauty.
MineralMan
(146,368 posts)By accepting the simple explanation, "God did it," they miss the complexity of the universe, and lack the interest to study it. That, to me, is the central problem with creationism. Without that sense of wonder, life is really meaningless, it seems to me.
LARED
(11,735 posts)A belief that "God did it" in no way diminishes the wonder of the complexity of the universe for lots of creationist. Or for that matter any form of theism. Anyone regardless of theological perspective can be awed by the vastness and complexity of the universe.
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