Femen activist who stole St Peter’s Square Jesus could face Vatican trial

[Eugene]

Source: Agence France-Presse

Femen activist who stole St Peter’s Square Jesus could face Vatican trial

Agence France-Presse in Rome
The Guardian, Friday 26 December 2014 19.56 GMT

An activist from the feminist group Femen who snatched the baby Jesus figurine from St Peter’s Square’s nativity scene on Christmas Day remains in custody in the Vatican.

Iana Aleksandrovna Azhdanova, from Ukraine, was held in a Vatican cell on Friday, awaiting possible trial for “disturbing the peace, obscene acts in a public place, and theft”.

Azhdanova was naked from the waist up as she stormed the nativity scene and had the message “God Is Woman” daubed on her torso while thousands of pilgrims looked on.

Azhdanova was swiftly arrested by Vatican police after rushing into the square and plucking the baby Jesus from his place while shouting what were described as anti-religious slogans.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/26/femen-activist-steal-baby-jesus-vatican-face-trial

[Warren Stupidity]

1. The vatican should lose its fascist donated status as a nation.

I'll bet a dollar that this person gets tried and sentenced long before the pederast under house arrest does.

[AtheistCrusader]

8. Of course, because the vatican gives a shit about this.

That other matter.... well.. sooner or later that will just go away on its own.

[AtheistCrusader]

9. Oh yeah, they also nailed this dude.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/05/vatican-verdict-pope-benedict-butler

Way more important than the known child rapists in residence inside the Vatican.
You know, they're under house arrest. Good enough, right?

[rug]

24. He was pardoned.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20824814

In person.

[hrmjustin]

11. And who gets it?

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Italy. Why should a church have nation status?

The area known as "Vatican City" is part of Rome. Rome is part of Italy. Prior to 1929 this was the status of the Vatican, and had been since the unification of Italy in 1870.

[hrmjustin]

13. Italy doesn't want it. Besides you can't just declare a legal nation not to be a nation anymore.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. You know that how?

And sure you can. Lots of nations have ceased to exist in modern times.

[hrmjustin]

15. How would you do it? invade them?

Italy is not about to do that.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. There are diplomatic means.

[hrmjustin]

17. What? Are you going to say nicely we are invading you?

The vatican will not nor should not go along with it.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Oh, no. 2 or 3 B-52's could solve the problem in a single pass.

No need to send official letterhead, if you choose the violence route. The whistling sound usually gets the point across.

But as Salvor Hardin used to say, "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."



No, what I actually meant was, no need for that at all. Nations could simply revoke recognition of the holy see as a nation. Not hard. Stroke of the pen. Profound consequences.

[hrmjustin]

19. If the rest of the world revoked there recognition if us as a nation, are we still a nation?

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Instead of threshing up wild hyperbole, for once, how about just focusing on aspiring

real world nation-states that don't have international recognition, or only partial recognition?

Suitable examples exist and highlight the limitations of that state.

[hrmjustin]

21. Ah! I hit a question you don't want to answer.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. Right, because stupid questions are annoying.

Most territorial/sovereignty issues that plague non-recognized states wouldn't apply to the US, because we have the military strength to do whatever we damn well please, planet-wide.

A practical example might be refusing diplomatic recognition, travel, or immunity. Economic examples might include China or Russia drilling for oil in what was our economic exclusion zone in the Barents.

The latter not being a problem for the holy see, but the diplomatic immunity would be a pain point. Especially considering the misbehaviors of some of their people.

If the US announced such a severing of diplomatic ties, the WAVE of returning officials would be hilarious.

[hrmjustin]

23. Well if my questions are stupid then our conversation is at an end.

Have a pleasant weekend!

[AtheistCrusader]

25. Oh, I will.

Let me know if you ever want to have a serious discussion about it.

[rug]

28. Yes you did.

[hrmjustin]

29. And it got called stupid and he said when i am serious we should talk again.

I tried but I am done. I am not going to engage people if the insults are going to fly.

[rug]

30. I answer stupid questions all the time.

Yours wasn't stupid.

[hrmjustin]

31. Thanks. considering the post I was responding to, I thought it was very logical.

[AtheistCrusader]

45. Not really. I answered it before you posted this.

Granted, one minute before, so maybe you didn't see it before you posted your 'attaboy'.

He wouldn't address my response, maybe you'd care to?

[Cartoonist]

37. You really consider that a serious question?

Like Stalin said, "How many divisions does the Pope have?"

[hrmjustin]

39. Can you answer it?

[Cartoonist]

40. Yes

The answer is no. Duh!

[hrmjustin]

41. So if thd rest of the world declares we are not a nation then we are no longer a nation?

Wow.

[Cartoonist]

43. I said no.

The rest of the world can do whatever it wants. Unless they invade us and take us over, we will always be the USA. How can you think otherwise? That is why your question was not taken seriously.

[hrmjustin]

44. So would you be ok with Italy invading the vatican?

[Cartoonist]

46. No

Another question of dubious intelligence. WTF is your problem?

[hrmjustin]

48. Whats yours? if you don't like my questions then don't respond to them!!!

[Warren Stupidity]

57. I would be fine with the UN evicting the Vatican and with other nations

removing diplomatic recognition. What Italy does is up to them, but they could declare the Lateran Treaties null and void, the product of a criminal state, and stop recognizing the territorial rights of the pope and his minions. No invasion would be required. It isn't going to happen, of course, unless there is a new wave of malfeasance uncovered that greatly exceeds the astounding malfeasance that has already been documented. Even then, this institution is now known to have spent decades covering up pederast priests and other horrific crimes, and has used its nation status to do so, and the world has more or less said "meh", so I'm not holding up much hope that anything will end this nonsense. It was just a passing fancy.

[AtheistCrusader]

47. I already answered it. You used your dislike of the subject line to cover your retreat from

the material content of the post.

A delightful little maneuver. To paraphrase:

'Ah! I gave an answer you don't want to acknowledge.'

[hrmjustin]

49. You called my question stupid so i have no desire to talk with you.

[AtheistCrusader]

50. Ok, but don't go around shaking passers-by asking them to answer the question as if

it hasn't already been answered.

[hrmjustin]

51. You do realize the other poster responding to me first with a question about my question.

Will you scold him?

[AtheistCrusader]

52. No, he asked it 8 hours after I answered your question.

[hrmjustin]

53. What is your point?

[AtheistCrusader]

54. Originally, that there are non-violent solutions to removing the holy see's nation status.

That it has been done before, and can be done now.
That asking what the United States would do is silly/nonsensical (I used the word stupid) because the United States has the military wherewithal to force the point. The Vatican does not. The Vatican has loaner security services from external sources only.

[hrmjustin]

55. The reality is it will not happen.

Nor should it.

[AtheistCrusader]

56. Why should the vatican have nation status and a seat at the UN?

How about Mecca? Medina? Riverside California? Acre, Israel? Haifa, Israel? Jerusalem? Salt Lake City, Utah? Dharamsala, India or London?

What's the membership threshold before a religion warrants such treatment for its headquarters?

What vile filth should we allow that church to get away with, abusing such nation status before it is revoked?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II_aftermath)#Roman_ratlines

[hrmjustin]

58. It is already a nation so I see no need to undo that.

That does not mean I think they shoukd get away with anything.

[rug]

27. That worked well in Czechoslovakia.

[rug]

26. History.

It had sovereignty from 754 to the present, interrupted only for a 60 year period after the Italian unification.

[cbayer]

2. The picture is absolutely priceless.

Would love to know what she said.

[Turbineguy]

3. Yeah right

like those guys don't want to ogle her boobs.

[cbayer]

4. I love the look on the cop's face.

[rug]

5. Maybe she thought he was hungry.

[cbayer]

6. That right there should be her defense.

[rug]

7. I'm booking my flight!

[Sweeney]

10. I wouldn't worry about the church

They can be very forgiving; especially of each other.

[cbayer]

32. UPDATE: Vatican Frees Activist Who Stole Baby Jesus Statue While Topless

http://time.com/3647770/vatican-activist-baby-jesus-femen-topless/

[rug]

33. Ahem.

[cbayer]

34. Sorry about that. Had you already bought your ticket?

[rug]

35. She is free. That's what counts.

[cbayer]

36. Free at last, free at last. She can stand as a model of activism for all of us.

[Cartoonist]

38. While the Pope had a good legal case

He still would have looked foolish to prosecute. He should have left it up to the Italian authorities and washed his hands like Pontius Pilate.

[cbayer]

42. Honestly, I would bet that he didn't care a bit.

They needed to remove her and they did. That's the end of it.

[Warpy]

59. They're a lot angrier at her having defiled their sacred city

with her nasty, naked breasts than for taking a plaster Jebus out of the creche.

Most of their bile is being spewed at those poor boobs. Guess we can't expect them to grow the fuck up where women are concerned yet.

[Warren Stupidity]

60. Which is odd as the insides of their megachurch are filled with naked breasts.

Of course the lower naughty bits are mostly figged out, but breasts seem to be a-ok.

[rug]

61. But they're not yelling things at people as they walk by.

This is not Hogwarts.

[cbayer]

62. Yeah, because what she did was so very grown up.

[Warren Stupidity]

63. What she did was an act of political protest.

The infant, which have been kidnapped by FEMEN, became a symbol of necessity of taking away a woman's right on reproductive function and sexual freedom off the Church. A sacred duty of every woman is to take away the child from Vatican!

http://femen.org/news/id/816#post-content

I support any nonviolent political protest that breaks through the media blackout. Femen goes bare breasted because the media just can't leave that alone. Consequently their action got world-wide coverage. Good for them.