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Related: About this forumPope ‘personally’ rejects France’s gay ambassador to the Vatican
The French government has refused to back down after selecting openly gay diplomat Laurent Stefanini to head to the home of the Catholic Church which remains actively opposed to LGBT rights.
However, the Vatican has snubbed the countrys selection of ambassador refusing to answer the nomination in a bid to get it withdrawn.
Pope Francis, who as the head of the Catholic Church is the sovereign of Vatican City, met with Mr Stefanini this week to personally reject him.
According to Reuters, the Pontiff met with the diplomat to tell him that he will not be allowed to become the countrys diplomat, because of his sexuality. Mr Stefanini is single, but the Pope also reportedly raised concerns about same-sex marriage.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/24/pope-personally-rejects-frances-gay-ambassador-to-the-vatican/
Wonder Pope! The bestest and most progressive Pope ever!
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)as "baby steps". And will be "cautiously optimistic" that he will transform the church into a decent, non-bigoted organization some time in this millennium. Or respond with 17 irrelevant Google search results. Or post 5 more articles slamming atheists. Or argue that people who aren't directly affected have no right or reason to complain about this. Or deflect the whole issue by regaling us with plans for their summer Italian holiday. It wouldn't even be above some posters here to just call atheists "assholes" (or should I say "arseholes"?) for daring to make an issue of this.
bvf
(6,604 posts)and accurate and well researched you are.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Meet with the guy in person so you can spit in his face!
Is religion great, or what?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)At least he didn't burn him at the stake in Saint Peter's Square. The Church is really evolving!
bvf
(6,604 posts)At this rate, we'll be seeing the RCC's LGBT acceptance by about the year 4000.
Call me a cock-eyed optimist.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I mean, look at the lightning speed at which the Church issued an apology to Galileo. That only took 450 years.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)There need to be consequences for irrational bigotry.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But we both know that's not gonna happen.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)keep stumping for the "change from within" bullshit, which only supports and perpetuates this kind of fundamental bigotry.
But..Soup Kitchens!! And Dawkins is a meanie!!
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)That was a PR nightmare. Those nuns really made waves and caused change. Or something.
mike_c
(36,320 posts)14th century.
bvf
(6,604 posts)I've said elsewhere that other countries should play the same gambit and expose this homophobic monolith for what it is.
TlalocW
(15,589 posts)That doesn't produce anything except excuses for how their priests behave?
TlalocW
bvf
(6,604 posts)and still represents a significant (though declining, from all reports) portion of the population?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)He can judge EVERYONE!
Fucking BIGOT.
rug
(82,333 posts)(Reuters) - Pope Francis has held a private meeting with France's nominee as ambassador to the Holy See, the French government said on Wednesday in the latest twist in a months-long stand-off over the Vatican's failure to confirm his posting.
Paris nominated the government's head of protocol, Laurent Stefanini, for the post on Jan. 5 but has still not heard back from the Vatican - a delay that French and Italian media have said is due to his homosexuality.
"There was a meeting between the Pope and Mr Stefanini," government spokesman Stephane Le Foll told a regular briefing, confirming a report by satirical weekly Le Canard Enchaine but dismissing the newspaper's assertion that his candidacy had been finally rejected during the April 18 meeting.
"Nothing has changed: France has proposed a candidate and for the time being we are waiting for the Vatican's reply after the usual discussions and review of his candidacy."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/22/us-pope-france-idUSKBN0ND1I620150422
struggle4progress
(119,702 posts)struggle4progress
(119,702 posts)By Andrea Gagliarducci
Vatican City, Apr 24, 2015 / 11:00 am (CNA).- Pope Francis met April 17 with Laurent Stefanini, the openly gay foreign service officer named by France to be ambassador to the Vatican. News of the private audience, which was kept strictly confidential, was reported April 22 by the French magazine Le Canard Enchainé, although the magazine said that the meeting took place April 18. A source from the Vatican Secretariat of State told CNA that the meeting actually took place in the late evening of April 17, and confirmed that it lasted about 15 minutes ... According to diplomatic right, a State can reject the request for accreditation of an ambassador, without giving any explanation about the reasons why. A State can even decide not to give a response at all to the request for accreditation of the new ambassador ... In order to receive Holy See diplomatic approval, ambassadors appointed to the Holy See must meet certain prerequisites and must behave in accordance with Church teaching. For example, an ambassador to the Holy See cannot be a divorced and civilly remarried person ...
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-meets-with-gay-french-ambassador-nominee-72369/
locks
(2,012 posts)why does France (or the USA and 180 other states) have diplomatic relations and send ambassadors to Vatican City but not to Mecca, Jerusalem, or any other "religious" city?
From C.P.G.Grey Vatican City Explained: "The King of Vatican City (the Pope) has absolute unchecked power within the country's borders and his presence makes Vatican City one of only six remaining absolute monarchies in the world. The King's absolute power is one reason why Vatican City cannot join the European Union because only democracies are allowed." C.P.G. Grey, Vatican City Explained.
The Holy See was made a nonmember permanent observer of the United Nations in 1964 and given full rights of membership except voting in 2004. The only other "nonmember" is the State of Palestine. Israel is not considered "a Jewish state."
The Center for Reproductive Law and Policy: "..the status of the Holy See as a nonmember permanent observer to the UN is questionable. Moreover, there are doubts about whether in 1964 the UN is creating a precedent for similar claims by other religions. To ensure that the UN does not promote one particular religious view religious entities such as the Roman Catholic Church should not be permitted to participate in that body as nonmember states."
We can only hope France will tell the Vatican it is not interested in sending an ambassador and 180 other states will follow.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)The usual suspects with the usual responses defending the usual shit.
rug
(82,333 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But according to the usual apologist we can't know for sure that it's because he's gay since the Vienna Convention allows the state to "reject the request for accreditation of an ambassador, without giving any explanation about the reasons why".
And Frank didn't come right out and say he's a homophobic bigot.
So there.
edhopper
(34,568 posts)Isn't it?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"Horror of Horrors! The Pope thinks marriage is a good thing!"
It's not me that's saying these things, it's the pope/church/website.
Clever.