Vatican synod ends with opening to divorcees, no change on gays

[Eugene]

Source: Reuters

World | Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:10pm IST

Vatican synod ends with opening to divorcees, no change on gays

VATICAN CITY | BY PHILIP PULLELLA

Roman Catholic bishops agreed on Saturday to a qualified opening toward divorcees who have remarried outside the Church but rejected calls for more welcoming language towards homosexuals.

The outcome of a three-week gathering at the Vatican, known as a synod and presided over by Pope Francis, marked a victory for conservatives on homosexual issues and for progressives on the thorny issue of remarriage.

The final synod document restated Church teachings that gays should not suffer discrimination in society, but also repeated the stand that there was "no foundation whatsoever" for same-sex marriage, which "could not even remotely" be compared to heterosexual unions.

The document indicated that the assembly had decided to avoid overtly controversial language and seek consensus in order to avoid deadlock on the most sensitive topics, leaving it up to the pope to deal with the details.

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Read more: http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/10/24/pope-synod-idINKCN0SI0K720151024

Source: New York Times

Vatican Split on Rules Over a More Inclusive Church

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN OCT. 24, 2015

VATICAN CITY — A three-week global assembly called by Pope Francis to re-examine church teaching on marriage and family in the modern era ended with bishops voting narrowly on Saturday to open the door to divorced and remarried Catholics to return to fuller participation in the church, but stopping short of saying they may take communion.

The bishops drew a hard line, however, against any acceptance of same-sex marriage, saying in their final document that it is not “even remotely analogous” to marriage between a man and a woman. They added that gay people should be respected and not subjected to “unjust discrimination” — a reiteration of prior church teaching.

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Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/world/europe/synod-makes-overture-to-the-divorced-but-rejects-gay-marriage.html

[cleanhippie]

1. "...rejected calls for more welcoming language towards homosexuals. "

"They added that gay people should be respected and not subjected to “unjust discrimination” "

So it's not discrimination when it's justified...




Did anyone really expect this hateful, bigoted organization, enabled by an ambivalent laity, to change on it's own?

Until people stop giving time and money to this despicable institution, nothing will change, despite the empty rhetoric of blank Frank.

[Lordquinton]

2. The Sierra club is more qualified to hold a symposium on the family

At least their members can get married and raise a family of their own. Seriously, a group of old white virgin men talking about how families should be run is downright creepy.

[skepticscott]

3. So they're opening the door to

"divorced and remarried Catholics to return to fuller participation in the church, but stopping short of saying they may take communion."

In other words, we'll take your money if you're gullible enough to give it to us, but we won't let you be what we consider a real Catholic.

[rug]

4. Of the thirteen working groups, two opposed change and eleven failed to reach a consensus.

An opening is precisely what it is. An opening to a systemic fight within the RCC.

The expected nattering comments are utterly irrelevant to this.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. And the splaining is right above this post.

Good job! Never admit defeat.

[Act_of_Reparation]

6. That's odd.

I don't see anything.

[rug]

8. You could try removing yor hands from your eyes.

[trotsky]

30. ...

[rug]

7. Do you know a single thing abot the thirteen working groups that composed this synod?

Or are you just reflexively spouting ad hominems?

[Yorktown]

9. What would be the point of learning about these 13 workgroups?

They convened to 'reason' based on contradictory gospels, authors unknown.

On the basis of which, thousands upon thousands of theologians disagreed.


Exegesis of the farce that is the Roman Catholic Church could be fruitfully used elsewhere.

Like by doing Science. Or charitable deeds without the ulterior motive of converting people.

[rug]

10. How interesting. This is the third time in a row you stepped in to speak for him.

[Yorktown]

13. Speak for him?

You see strange causalities.

[rug]

14. Yes. I asked him a qestion. You answered the question.

Thrice.

[Yorktown]

17. And the causality is?

Do elaborate.

I'm interested.

[rug]

18. That's for you to answer.

[Yorktown]

20. No. You initiated the question.

And your turn of sentence implied you had an idea about the answer.

Do tell, sounds interesting.

[rug]

23. The answer is as obvious as the finger on the keyboard.

[Yorktown]

25. I ask you about the moon and you look at the finger on the keyboard

Reminds me of someone and some parable.

[rug]

27. Do you prefer the idiom of the nose on your face?

[Yorktown]

29. Idioms don't make much sense

For each idiom, you can find its opposite

"There's no place like home" and "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"

You do value words over meaning.

No wonder you posted 70 000 posts and threads..

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Some people think their role here is "inquisitor".

They really don't understand how this place works.

[Yorktown]

16. I have huge respect for the Monty Pythons, and none for the holy books.

Funny how that works, eh?

The interview below was fantastic, well worth listening to while doing something else.

[rug]

19. Others love bees.

[Yorktown]

21. Bees pollinate flowers and make honey. Religion brings nothing to the table..

.. other than groupthink and us-vs-them animosity.

Not to mention stoning and decapitation oof witches in this century.

[rug]

22. "groupthink and us-vs-them animosity" is hardly exclsive to religion.

As this subthread demonstrates.

[Yorktown]

24. Gratuitous and obviously inexact

Unless you define who is the 'us' and who is the 'them' on this thread.

[rug]

26. Did you know sqids exude ink when threatened to cover therir flight?

I have no doubt you have read this subthread and already answered the answer to your disingenuous and deflective question.

[Yorktown]

28. No. I honestly have no idea what you were trying to say.

Who were 'us' and who were them on this thread?

I have no idea and I suspect you don't either.

I'm beginning to think you like words much more than meaning.

[Humanist_Activist]

11. No surprises here, their are a lot more divocees in the Church than gays...

in addition, gay relationships still carry a huge stigma in the Church, not usually among members, but the hierarchy.

Really, they are just reaffirming the homophobic and outdated Catechism, so no surprises there. Given the advocacy and lobbying by the Catholic Church in the United States and UN, I do wonder what is actually considered unjust discrimination. They are, after all, at the forefront of advocating for so called "religious freedom" laws, being well aware that the scope is far beyond contraception, and would remove workplace protections and housing protection based on gender identity and sexual orientation. This is on top of lobbying hard against marriage equality.

What rights do LGBT people have according to the Catholic Church? As far as I can tell, the only thing that's universal on the Church is they have a right to live, but that's more of a side effect of the Church leadership being slightly against the death penalty.

Hell, look at the largely deafening silence towards Uganda's now defunct, and hopefully not reinstated, imprison the gays bill. Local Bishops supported it, the worldwide Church made some noise about "unjust discrimination", then fell silent years ago. Contrast that with a Pope that went on a recent worldwide tour where, several times, he spoke about this CT about "gender theory", lent his image to marriage equality opponents in Slovakia, etc.

[mr blur]

12. But isn't it astonishing that people care what these bigots think about anything?

Let alone prop them up with money?

The RCC - Forward Into The 12th Century!