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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:35 PM Jan 2016

Here's another case of a Catholic hospital interfering with patient care

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-catholic-hospital-interfering-with-medical-care-20160108-column.html

Rebecca Chamorro, 33, is a married woman who is due to give birth to her third child by C-section on Jan. 28. She and her husband decided they don't want any more children after their third, so she asked her obstetrician to perform a tubal ligation immediately after her Cesarean delivery to prevent further pregnancies.

That's the medical standard of care for tubal ligations: The safest way to perform the procedure is immediately after delivery, in order to avoid a second surgical procedure under anesthesia. Chamorro's physician, Samuel Van Kirk, asked for authorization from her hospital, Mercy Medical Center in Redding.

The hospital turned him down. Not because its administrators thought the procedure was medically unwise, dangerous or illegal, but because it violates the Catholic religious principles to which the hospital's owner, Dignity Health, subscribes. Although the letter denying Chamorro's procedure came from Mercy's vice president for medical affairs, James De Soto M.D., the rules he cited -- the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services -- were produced not by a medical body, but by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

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Chamorro's case underscores a developing crisis in American healthcare, which is tied to the evolution of Catholic hospital chains into a major provider of medical services -- and the sole provider of some services in some communities. Although Mercy Medical is one of three hospitals in Redding, it's the only one with a labor and delivery ward. The next closest option is 70 miles away.


Forcing everyone to abide by your ridiculous religious rules is unacceptable.
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Here's another case of a Catholic hospital interfering with patient care (Original Post) trotsky Jan 2016 OP
My sister whose Catholic had one after her 4th child by c section yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #1
Wow. Just wow. n/t trotsky Jan 2016 #2
I know. Stunning that people find it a sin. Stuns me too. yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #3
No, stunning that you would put a religion's teachings above a woman's healthcare. trotsky Jan 2016 #7
Yeah read into it as much as it will stretch. yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #8
"Well I guess they need to pick another hospital then. They have time." cleanhippie Jan 2016 #14
Sure, when she's in labor they can just hop in the car and drive 70 miles... trotsky Jan 2016 #15
Why don't the other two hospitals have maternity wards? rug Jan 2016 #17
I believe the RCC views it as a sin. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #4
Maybe but that is one thing Jesus never spoke of. yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #6
There's lots of stuff he never spoke of. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #10
Well, they are moving ahead with the times Major Nikon Jan 2016 #13
What if its one that's outside their insurance network or one that is prohibitively expensive to go. Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #28
The answer to that, according to some, is evidently... trotsky Jan 2016 #29
Or, "Go buy rubbers at the 7-11" Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #30
Oh gosh, how could anyone forget that? trotsky Jan 2016 #31
But, but, but... Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #5
So, why aren't there public or private hospitals providing those services? rug Jan 2016 #19
In many cases... gcomeau Jan 2016 #24
And...and.. skepticscott Jan 2016 #22
Its what they are all about. Eveyone knows it. FInd a different hospital. n/t Peregrine Took Jan 2016 #9
What if you can't because they bought out all health care in your area Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #11
Like how women in some southern states Lordquinton Jan 2016 #12
Yeah man, totally no big deal. trotsky Jan 2016 #16
The privilege on display here is rank Lordquinton Jan 2016 #18
So is bigotry and the willingness to use women's health to advance it. rug Jan 2016 #20
The only bigots I see is the RCC Cartoonist Jan 2016 #21
You should open your eyes wider. rug Jan 2016 #23
You kinda jumped the shark there didn't you. Leontius Jan 2016 #25
QED Lordquinton Jan 2016 #26
Why should they have to? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #27
Update: "Catholic hospital allowed to deny sterilization procedure, judge says" rug Jan 2016 #32
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. My sister whose Catholic had one after her 4th child by c section
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jan 2016

It is not a sin to have your tubes tide. Well I guess they need to pick another hospital then. They have time.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. No, stunning that you would put a religion's teachings above a woman's healthcare.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jan 2016

Or even the safety of her child.

Stunning to see such anti-woman, anti-progressive sentiments on a liberal message board, yes indeed.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
14. "Well I guess they need to pick another hospital then. They have time."
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

There's no 'reading into it' at all. Your words are crystal clear.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
15. Sure, when she's in labor they can just hop in the car and drive 70 miles...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jan 2016

to the next nearest hospital. No problem at all. As long as she doesn't have any problems. And labor is longer than an hour. Really no big deal. Gosh, what's wrong with us, objecting to this?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. Why don't the other two hospitals have maternity wards?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jan 2016

If you weren't blinded by your anti-Catholic hatred and were half as much a proponent of women's rights as you posture, you'd at the very least type an indignant post about it.

(BTW, the answer is OB malpractice raters.)

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
10. There's lots of stuff he never spoke of.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

Just saying that the RCC does view that as a sin. Sometimes a lot of people want to think the RCC is this wonderfully progressive organization that is moving ahead with the times.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. Well, they are moving ahead with the times
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jan 2016

The world is full of descendants of refugees who faced either conversion to catholosism or death if they remained in their homeland. But, of course we must believe that it's really the Christians who are persecuted.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
28. What if its one that's outside their insurance network or one that is prohibitively expensive to go.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:47 AM
Jan 2016

to due to distance?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
29. The answer to that, according to some, is evidently...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jan 2016

"Tough shit, because religious rights are more important than anyone's healthcare."

I didn't know we had Hobby Lobby fans on DU.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
31. Oh gosh, how could anyone forget that?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jan 2016

Even if the dispenser of that progressive advice is lost at sea.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
5. But, but, but...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jan 2016

they are doing such wonderful things by offering health care where nobody else can or will.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
19. So, why aren't there public or private hospitals providing those services?
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jan 2016

Stammering but, but, but... hardly addresses the issue.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
24. In many cases...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jan 2016

...because the Catholic organization BOUGHT THEM or took over their management through some deal they struck.

And if anyone else was buying up hospitals, becoming the sole health care provider in a region, and then restricting the services they permitted doctors to perform in their facilities you would probably be having less of a hard time seeing the problem.


http://www.propublica.org/article/catholic-hospitals-grow-and-with-them-questions-of-care

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
11. What if you can't because they bought out all health care in your area
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jan 2016

That is becoming a reality for many people. Even if they control a town/county, what happens to those without the means to travel?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
16. Yeah man, totally no big deal.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

Women just need to expect to give up their full reproductive rights to accommodate the whims of various religions.

Objecting to that makes one an intolerant anti-theist bigot, or so I've heard.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
18. The privilege on display here is rank
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jan 2016

Religious, economic, gender, racial, it's a veritable perfect storm of ignorance.

Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
21. The only bigots I see is the RCC
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jan 2016

Bigotry at its worst. Oppressing women at their most vulnerable, not to mention the baby.

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