Vatican is not a 'den of thieves,' says top Vatican official

[Warren Stupidity]

Last edited Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:17 AM - Edit history (1)

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The Vatican is not "a den of thieves," and such insinuations are an injustice to employees who are proud to serve the pope and the church, said Archbishop Angelo Becciu, a top official in the Vatican Secretariat of State.
Necessary economic and administrative reforms and countermeasures have been taken to address any problems, he told the Italian weekly Panorama in an interview published in the issue dated Jan. 20.
"I must reiterate firmly that we are not a bunch of corrupt and incompetent people," he said in a lengthy interview conducted at the Vatican Dec. 31.

http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/vatican-is-not-den-of-thieves-says-top-official.cfm

Nixon Rule: when you hold a press conference to deny that you're a crook, you're a crook.

On Edit: of course thievery is the least of the criminal problems in the RCC, and pales in comparison to their ongoing problems with sexual abuse of children.

[Human101948]

1. Not to mention their predilection for child molestation...

The UN has accused the Vatican of "systematically" adopting policies allowing priests to sexually abuse thousands of children.
Pope Francis has said that dealing with abuse is vital for the Church's credibility, and that "sanctions" must be imposed against perpetrators.
But the Church has been accused of failing to address some allegations properly.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25757218

[edhopper]

4. Do mention it

they have not paid the price they should. PR Frank should not let us forget what they did.
They should always be referred to as The Vatican (the pedophile enabling organization).

[rug]

2. Wow! This thread went to child molestation in one post!

Good job, warren!

[truebrit71]

6. Do you deny that they allowed child molestation to occur?

Do you deny that they moved child predators from parish to parish?

Do you deny that they've paid tens of millions of dollars because of their actions, or lack thereof, relating to their child-raping priests?

[rug]

7. Which has what to do with the OP?

Start a thread on it. I'm sure you"ll have lots of takers.

Just keep your facts straight and try not to post broadbrush bigotry and you'll do just fine.

[truebrit71]

8. I was responding to your comment. And you deflected. As usual...

... when asked to explain your support for this criminal organization....

[rug]

9. Sure you were.

Tell you what. Start a thread. In it establish the RCC is in fact a criminal organization and demand that Catholics explain why they are Catholics. Let's see what happens.

[truebrit71]

10. Or you could just answer my very simple questions....

Let's see if you do...

[rug]

11. No, just start an on topic thread.

I'm eager to see it.

[truebrit71]

12. I'm sure Warren wouldn't mind you answering those very simple questions...

... in his thread...

So, you have the floor....answer away big fella!

[rug]

13. I'm sure I don't care what warren minds.

Ok, truebrit, you have now entered the stupid zone, again, with "big fella". In the interest of advancing the war on stupidity, I'm disengaging from your nonsense.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for your thread.

[truebrit71]

14. First the deflection, then the running away...

Asking you to answer very simple questions is entering the 'stupid zone'...

I'll keep my eyes peeled for your answers...

[rug]

16. Yes, I'm running away from your devastating questions.

Here's a tip, truebrit, If you want a personal argument with me, send me a PM. Don't perform for your friends with off topic bullshit and ad hominems.

[truebrit71]

19. Off topic? It's right here in the thread...

...just looking for simple answers.

You could answer them, or keep deflecting... your call

[rug]

21. Much as you want to discuss child molestation, it is mentioned nowhere in the OP.

Maybe you and LordQuinton can start a thread on it where you can discuss it as long as you like.

No what you're looking for you'll find under a bridge. You'll hear my footsteps crossing it.

[truebrit71]

22. Where did I say it was in the OP? In fact YOU wrote it in your...

.. Reply title..

Not looking for a discussion, just looking for you to answer those questions.

[rug]

23. I don't know what thread you're reading but this thread went off the rails with the first reply.

And with your entry it's just gone over the cliff.

[truebrit71]

24. How so? Because it had the temerity to challenge the RCC?

Bravo on the continued deflection though...

[Warren Stupidity]

25. I've fixed up the objection that sexual abuse is not mentioned in the op.

[Lordquinton]

15. Of course you don't get an answer

It's indefensible, deflection is the last resort.

[rug]

18. Unlike you, I don't consider asking or answering stupid questions to be productive.

But I'm sure you enjoy the turn the thread has taken. unsubstantial and personal.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Some people get very upset when the depraved history

of god's very own institution gets mentioned. Sad.

[rug]

5. !

Yes, you really sound sad, warren.



Good luck in your next attempt. Maybe your Vatican gay lobby thread will get some traction. I bet if you really, really tried you cound find a positive story about the Catholic Church. Of course, then you wouldn't be able to use it to make another ant-Catholic snark.

[Lordquinton]

17. I see no defense or refutation

Jusrlt deflection and attacks. Very telling.

[rug]

20. Refutatio of what?

This?

Some people get very upset when the depraved history
of god's very own institution gets mentioned. Sad.

[cleanhippie]

31. Don't forget childish parroting.

Gotta give credit where credit is due.

[Act_of_Reparation]

27. Sad is right.

Though I take some issue with Catholic dogma and tradition, I can understand Catholics feeling attached to it. What I don't get is the stubborn defense of the institution of the Catholic Church. It's almost as pathetic as devotion to a sports team.

[rug]

28. What is sadder is the compulsive amd refelexive hatred of the Catholic Church on disply.

Surrounding that hatred with half-truths, inaccuracies and straw men makes the display utterly repellent.

No need at all to point out how often that sludge flows directly onto Catholics themselves.

[cleanhippie]

29. Sad AND pathetic.

[rug]

30. Ditto.

[Old Union Guy]

26. Not thieves. Very good. Now y'all stop being meanies about the Church, OK?