Catholic mother regrets disowning her gay son

[skepticscott]

Thought this deserved a wider audience...

http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2016/1/16/watch-catholic-mother-regrets-disowning-her-gay-son.

What other than bigotry born of obedience to god could cause a woman to reject her own child, not for anything they did, but simply for who they are?

[saltpoint]

1. This woman should have told the Church to

go fuck itself and asked her son if there is anything she could do to provide adequate support.

[skepticscott]

4. How could she?

She was as much as part of that church as anyone. As has been pointed out by so many apologists here, people like her ARE the catholic church

[saltpoint]

5. I get her position on the relative scale,

but I think a child comes first before institutional loyalty.

[skepticscott]

10. Just ask Abraham

He was willing to whack his own son on god's order.

If you want to see the religionists here go into meltdown, ask them if they would kill their own child if god commanded them to.

[Cartoonist]

11. Has that happened?

I must have missed it.

My guess is that they wouldn't respond at all. Or they would get smarmy and say goodbye.

[skepticscott]

12. Oh, it's happened

You wouldn't believe the knots they twisted themselves into to avoid giving a simple and direct answer.

It was fun to watch.

[Warpy]

29. Andrea Yates comes to mind

Yes, she was crazy, but she drowned all her children because gawd told her the devil was coming to git 'em.

[saltpoint]

32. This is a strong argument for the

intervention of social services. Abraham was operating without fear of intervention from Child Protective Services.

And while we're at it, the same organization would be hard at work to get Hansel and Gretel a foster placement.

[yeoman6987]

26. Many disown their kids for many reasons

It is a fact of life. I am stunned to hear any reason to disown a child but it happens daily.

[cleanhippie]

37. But in THIS case, her love of her religion trumped her love of her child.

Good stuff, amirite?

[vt_native]

2. I saw an interview

with a deeply religious woman who had rejected her gay daughter. The woman killed herself. Her mother's realization that she was wrong, and her sorrow were truly heartbreaking. She realized, too late,just how wrong she had been. Very sad. Saw it on Free Speech TV.

[Skittles]

3. once you start believing in nonsense

you can be made to believe anything

[Cartoonist]

6. I am so proud of leaving the Catholic church

"I want the same opportunities for my gay and straight children in the Catholic Church.”
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Don't hold your breath. Right Frank?

[SCantiGOP]

7. Like George Carlin

I went to Catholic school (me through the 7th grade) and, like him, it was for me "a training facility for future ex-Catholics."

[Act_of_Reparation]

20. In my experience, Catholic school produced two types of people:

Ex-Catholics and Nominal Catholics.

The Nominals are the ones who categorically reject the Church's teachings on just about everything, but say they're Catholic on Facebook. Oddly enough, all the superficial kids who thrived on the approval and admiration of others became nominal Catholics. Someone should look into that.

[Cartoonist]

25. There is a third type

Those who are unable to overcome the brainwashing and remain devout sheep. You may even meet some here.

[Act_of_Reparation]

28. They're few and far between.

Of everyone I went to school with, I know only a few to be devout. If I were a betting man, I'd say their parents had more to do with it than the school.

[skepticscott]

9. A sensible person would know

that's not going to happen. But religion tends to drive the sense out of people and give them all sorts of hideously false hopes. We've seen it right on this board with all of the popelove since Frank got elected.

[trotsky]

22. You should be proud.

Glad you did. If more people followed your lead, the RCC would have no choice but to change for the better. Instead there are far too many knee-jerk defenders, many suffering from impotent rage that their church is being criticized.

[Snobblevitch]

8. My mother was not Catholic,

but was quite religious. My nephew came out at age 20. He went to my parents' home and told them together. My mom and dad simply embraced him and told him how much they loved him. (Heck, it wasn't much of a surprise. I could tell when he was a little boy that he was gay. I didn't find out until years later that he was bullied in middle school and high school.)

[Albertoo]

13. Logic should bring this mother to regret being a Catholic

It's her Catholicism which brought her to disown her gay son.
She now regrets the effect (having disowned her son).
She should then regret the cause (the Roman Catholic doctrine)

[skepticscott]

19. That's not religious logic

Religious "logic" would lead her to the conclusion that there must be something wrong with HER, since clearly there can't be anything wrong with god, or by extension, with the religion based on his word.

[yeoman6987]

27. It was society

In the 70's it was not accepted in most households. Sad but true. Religion was only a small part of it. Yes even non religious had issues with it. Bottom line. Today more are accepting.

[cleanhippie]

38. Society made her a monster?

[yeoman6987]

39. If that's what you see.

[rug]

40. He thinks society has nothing to do with it, it's due to religion alone.

A stupid point of view but there you have it.

[yeoman6987]

41. You'd have to think everyone was religious in the 60-70's and that was not true

If it were only religion, gay rights would have happened sooner. If it wasn't society as well then coming out would not have been so difficult. And yes I am gay so I understand the history.

[rug]

42. Agreed. It's a bizarre point of view to view all oppression solely through the lens of religion.

Makes for very irrational conclusions. That's very dangerous when trying to overcome oppression. A now PPRed poster wrote this just before he was banned:

LGBT people are illogical if they believe in abrahamic 'holy' books.

Or they are masochists who enjoy believing in something telling them how wretched they are.
Homosexuality is described as an "abomination" in the Torah.

A repellent state of mind.

[yeoman6987]

43. Wow. Just wow.

[rug]

14. You should have posted the video that goes with it.

vimeo.com/139852142

It's a story that's being played out across the country. Change is coming, scottie. Get used to it. Or you can keep spitting from the sidelines.

The rest of the videos are here:

http://www.erickruszewski.com/the-lost-flock/

You're right. They do deserve a wider audience.

http://www.leadlgbtministry.org

[edhopper]

15. you are going to cvompletely

ignore that this happened because this Mother followed your Church's teachings?

[rug]

16. Are you going to completely ignore how far this woman's views have changed?

That is what's being played out across the country.

And in this woman's case, her parish is not condemning her. Quite the opposite. Both she and her son (not to mention the rest of their family) have an ally where there was once a judge.

I prefer complete stories, not snippets to advance a narrative.

[edhopper]

17. and the story from vt Native?

I am not surprised you can find no fault with your Church.

You never do.

[rug]

18. Put up the interview and I'll let you know.

In this instance, it had a much different outcome. That is also reality.

And this

I am not surprised you can find no fault with your Church.

You never do.

is one of your more ignorant comments.

[cleanhippie]

21. C'mon, Ed. It's like saving 15% or more with Geico, it's just what he does.

Which is why hardly anyone responds to him anymore.


Now cue his utterly predictable and totally childish response in 3..2..1..

[rug]

30. That must explain your cumpulsion to read my posts.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

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[Warren Stupidity]

33. its more like "discount doublecheck".

[cleanhippie]

34. The phrase or the guy with the cheese on his head that screams that?

[Warren Stupidity]

35. those are not exclusive choices.

[cleanhippie]

36. !

[skepticscott]

23. And let's not forget, when people say that "change is coming"

Change that happens in this area is never because of fundamental Catholic doctrine and teachings, but always in spite of, or in direct opposition to them.

[Lordquinton]

24. Lemme know when Rome responds to this

When a woman priest is marrying a lesbian couple, then we can talk about progress in the church.

*edit* Not responding to this thread, unlike some I don't think the pope actually listens to, or cares about what I saw, he'd have to know about my existance and his god either doesn't know about me, refuses to pass along my message, or just flat out doesn't exist. But if Frank says anything about me let me know.