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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:23 PM Feb 2016

Hostility Toward Religion in America Is ‘Undeniable,’ Report Says

Disclaimer: The source is lousy, but worth it for the laughs.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/25/hostility-toward-religion-in-america-is-undeniable-report-says/

“Hostility to religion in America is rising like floodwaters,” Kelly Shackelford, president, CEO and chief counsel at First Liberty Institute, writes in the report.

“This flood is engulfing ordinary citizens who simply try to live normal lives according to their faith and conscience.”


Examples of this "hostility"?

* A New Jersey school district fired substitute teacher Walt Tutka for giving a student a Bible, upon the request of the student, on school grounds. Tutka had quoted Scripture by telling the student as he came through a door last: “The first shall be last, but the last shall be first.” The report explains: “The student asked Tutka several times about the source of the quote. Tutka eventually used his personal Bible to show the quote to the student. At the student’s request, Tutka gave the student the Bible.” After First Liberty Institute filed a complaint over his firing with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, it agreed the school district had discriminated against Tutka “on the basis of religion and retaliation.”

* Bedford County, Va., prohibited a private landowner from allowing religious services for the Cowboy Church of Virginia to be conducted in his barn. The landowner received a violation notice because zoning regulations didn’t allow the space to be used for religious meetings.


For those who view these as "hostility" toward their religion, I wonder how many of them would change their tune if the religion involved were Islam? Would they be OK with a teacher who quoted the Koran, and offered a copy to a student who asked about the quote?
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Hostility Toward Religion in America Is ‘Undeniable,’ Report Says (Original Post) trotsky Feb 2016 OP
Zoning regulations for religious meetings ?? Is that based on number of attendees ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #1
You are right exboyfil Feb 2016 #3
Ooooops, there goes that charge of "Hostility towards religion" ! eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #5
Having formerly served as a Zoning Administrator: R. P. McMurphy Feb 2016 #7
And religious conservatives would shit diamonds if it was for a mosque. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #10
I'm shocked I tells ya! Lordquinton Feb 2016 #2
I learned last night that Trump gets audited because of his religion. Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #4
That's weird. I thought he got audited because he's a fucking thief. Live and learn, I guess. (n/t) Iggo Feb 2016 #9
It's persecution! mr blur Feb 2016 #6
I'm not denying it at all. Iggo Feb 2016 #8
"Hostility" only works one way Major Nikon Feb 2016 #11

eppur_se_muova

(36,271 posts)
1. Zoning regulations for religious meetings ?? Is that based on number of attendees ?
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:29 PM
Feb 2016

I can see why you wouldn't want hundreds of people suddently descending on a site without adequate toilet facilities or parking spaces, for example ... but that would be independent of whether it was a religous meeting.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
3. You are right
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

It wasn't even a church service but a hoe down.

http://pilotonline.com/news/neighbor-says-cowboy-church-raised-too-much-of-a-ruckus/article_22ec4bb9-d0e8-5885-989b-2890769898b4.html

This may have been the case they cited. Same thing. Content was not the issue. Safety was the issue.


Bedford County spokesman Bill Hoy said the barn where the weekly church services are held -- zoned for agricultural/residential use -- does not have the safety features required for a facility used by the public. It lacks lighted exit signs, emergency lighting, adequate exits and plumbing, Hoy said. Gary McIver, a county building official, issued a notice of the violations April 28.
http://www.roanoke.com/webmin/news/cowboy-church-reined-in/article_2566b7a4-e52c-5b80-9a3a-19117c766309.html

eppur_se_muova

(36,271 posts)
5. Ooooops, there goes that charge of "Hostility towards religion" !
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

Turns out it's just hostility towards loud parties.

R. P. McMurphy

(834 posts)
7. Having formerly served as a Zoning Administrator:
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

1. It is possible that religious services are not allowed as an outrightly permitted use but may be allowed as a special exception upon review by the relevant board. This review is to ensure that adequate measures are taken to address concerns such as those you noted. We may only have part of the story. The applicant may have been denied an outright use, failed to submit the necessary documentation for the special exception, and is now claiming discrimination even though they failed to follow through.

2. Most rules are put in place for a reason. Someone, somewhere likely created such a nuisance for adjacent property owners that a seemingly draconian rule such as this was put in place. Keep in mind as well; zoning ordinance text is often "borrowed" in whole or in part from other localities or from model ordinances without regard to its effect in the area to which it is being applied.

3. If an ordinance doesn't specifically address outright use/special exception for churches many people will argue that they are exempt from any regulation.

4. Church services are sometimes used as "pawns" in a larger game. For example, in an area where the sale of alcohol is restricted within a certain distance from a church, services may suddenly appear near a site where an application for alcohol sales has been submitted.

5. This could be a case where the zoning ordinance needs to be revised to permit "new" uses (I'd never heard of "Cowboy Churches" until recently).

Hope this provides some food for thought.


 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
4. I learned last night that Trump gets audited because of his religion.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

So, there's that.

These examples are just...get over it.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
9. That's weird. I thought he got audited because he's a fucking thief. Live and learn, I guess. (n/t)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
8. I'm not denying it at all.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

I am unabashedly, unashamedly, and unapologetically hostile toward religion.

Tough shit, Religion.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. "Hostility" only works one way
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:11 PM
Feb 2016

Had the teacher passed out a Koran, he'd be getting death threats in addition to being fired and the same people complaining about not being able to use government resources for evangelizing would be cheering it all on.

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