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Related: About this forumFrom tragedy comes comedy
The Malheur occupation continues to produce great comedic writing. This exhibit comes from the comments section following an article in:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_a_snapshot_of.html
GranpaReader
In the mean time, its been quiet.
However, I do wish to point out the occupiers are and were not anti-government. They are not anti-federalist government. From the beginning it has been a usurpation of power that has been their concern, an enlargement of the official capacity of the offices and reach of federal government.
To be sure, the occupation, in official documents as stated by Robert LaVoy Finicum, was the concern that ranchers in general and the Hammonds in particular were being abused by the BLM.
I see where posters here are responding from as far away as Georgia. Such persons have never been to the high desert regions of Harney County, Oregon. They know nothing of the miles and miles of open land and desolate habitats that must be traversed to get there. They know nothing of the small town flavor of places such as Burns, and the inhabitants of them.
Georgia has the Blue Ridge, the Rhododendrons, and the magnificent lightening storms. There are the mountainous regions and the beautiful sceneries of both spring and fall.
Folks in Georgia have no idea of the cowboy life, and in fact the wooded lands and scenic areas deny any great opportunity to play cowboy other than rodeos that seem to be in proliferation, but that is not that far removed from Midnight Cowboy, Urban Cowboy, subways and oil drillin if you know what I mean: Faux cowboyin!
The incessant use of the term terrorists, is inflammatory and a false witness, a violation of the ninth commandment.
It is of little relevance if persons here believe in God or not or judgement, their violations still stand and they shall be held accountable by their Creator and not man.
Each and everyone of us have been warned of the second death. None of us are free from the consequences of sin and that applies to the Bundys and their followers as well everyone else that frequents these pages.
There is an answer for our present distress, but, few will opportune themselves of the promise of it.
Why, is yet to be revealed to the discerning:
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
We shall be celebrating the resurrection of Christ this Sunday.
It is sad that Mormons have another Jesus than that proclaimed by the Gospel. It is more so sad that many posters here are so bereft of both Godly and human compassion that they celebrate the death of a man no different a sinner than they.
Many here need to think upon Jeffersons words, the laws of nature and natures God.
Benjamin Franklin is responsible personally for the inclusion of the words endowed by their Creator, in the Declaration giving it a more personally involved interest of God who sustains us.
Jefferson was disposed to not include in the Declaration the Supreme Judge of the World,but was prevented from the exclusion by Benjamin Franklin and John Adams and other members of the Continental Congress.
The members of the Continental Congress may have been to some degree at odds regarding the central tenets of orthodox Christianity (such as the deity of Christ or his resurrection from the dead) yet still believe that God would judge humans in the next life based upon their behavior in this one. It remained a consideration as late and later than Mississippis Constitution of 1832. I believe that the state of Tennessee to this day has within the text of its Constitution the following words:
No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this State.
Indeed, nearly all of the signers of the Declaration believed in a God who judges humankind, either in this world or the next. (John Fea)
It is remarked Fea is not strongly supportive of the Christian identity of America though holds to the belief that many in the 1780s and thereafter believed that the states could properly embrace an explicitly Christian identity/ Ref: Shaffer
Neither the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution are considered overtly Christian, but of the two, the Constitution is unmistakably so.
Each of them bear the hallmark of Judaeo-Christian influence and we should investigate further why!
Finicum may have been in error, but at heart, as mislead as many think him to be, he was a passionate man, a determined man, and an able communicator. He should have been listened to. The embarrassment to law enforcement could have been avoided, their indiscretions not a subject of controversy, and they would not have had to lie.
Finicum would yet be alive, along with the last holdouts from the Refuge
pscot
(21,024 posts)annual grazing fee; a uniquely American tragedy.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)but not your figures. Actual 2015 grazing fees are $1.69 per animal unit per month. An animal unit is one cow and calf, one horse, or five goats or sheep...
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/newsroom/2015/january/nr_01_30_2015.html
pscot
(21,024 posts)It's still a bargain. It cost Tyson $5 to raise and process a chicken, which make that $1.69 seem quite reasonable.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)the same could be said of a member of ISIS
Finicum may have been in error, but at heart, as mislead as many think him to be, he was a passionate man, a determined man, and an able communicator.
2naSalit
(86,577 posts)Except this part but I would argue that this is true of all zealots...