Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment

[Eugene]

Source: Reuters

World | Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:34pm EDT

Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE | BY PHILIP PULLELLA

Pope Francis said on Sunday that Christians and the Roman Catholic Church should seek forgiveness from homosexuals for the way they had treated them.

Speaking to reporters aboard the plane taking him back to Rome from Armenia, he also said the Church should ask forgiveness for the way it has treated women, for turning a blind eye to child labor and for "blessing so many weapons" in the past.

In the hour-long freewheeling conversation that has become a trademark of his international travels, Francis was asked if he agreed with recent comments by a German Roman Catholic cardinal that the Church should apologize to gays.

Francis looked sad when the reporter asked if an apology was made more urgent by the killing of 49 people at a gay club in Orlando, Florida this month.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-church-idUSKCN0ZC12E

[rug]

1. He's echoing what Cardinal Marx said this week.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/church-must-apologise-to-gay-people-pope-s-adviser-declares-1.2697089

[Ken Burch]

2. There's actually a Cardinal MARX?

That SO cries out for Photoshop.

[rug]

3. He's Archbishop of Munich.

He and Benedict can get into it.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. As I recall his own rules say they have to cut it out before asking for forgivness.

Asking forgiveness for acts you continue to commit is not acceptable.

[rug]

7. Actually the rules apply to straight people as well.

A straight person confessing sex outside of marriage is expected to try to "sin no more". Rarely happens though.

In this case, I think Francis has the clout to make sure it's more than a weak try. Like him or not, he knows the harm the Church has caused to people.

[Lordquinton]

10. They don't apply equally, as straight people can marry

While Gays are prevented.

This is blatant homophobic bigotry.

[rug]

13. Not in the church if they're divorced.

A sacrament is not a civil statute.

[Lordquinton]

15. But homosexuals are prevented from marrying according to the bigoted rules of the RCC

That's the issue. That needs to be addressed before any kind of apology should be offered, at the very least.

[rug]

16. No they're not. Are you claiming a marriage is not a marriage unless it's a religious marriage?

They, with many others, can not receive the sacrament of matrimony.

Who do you think should make the rules for sacraments?

Maybe you should ask the FFRF to write a letter.

Spouting "bigoted rules" doesn't say anything.

[Lordquinton]

17. You're not making any sense

How is specifically targeting LGBTQIA not bigotry?

Nothing else you said had any bearing on the question.

[rug]

18. Maybe you should concentrate on what I wrote.

[Lordquinton]

19. I did, you talked about a whole lot that was unrelated to the inherent bigotry against LGBTQIA

If you want to talk about their other discriminatory practices please start a new thread. This one is specifically about LGBTQIA issues, as the Pope (who compared them to nuclear weaponry) says the church should ask for forgiveness.

And the church does campaign against gay marriage, I have never heard them campaign against divorcees getting married, but if you want to talk about that please start your own thread.

[rug]

20. This subthread is about marriage.

And sacraments.

It's also about the Pope saying what needs to be said.

You want to start a thread about "inherent bigotry"? Take your own advice and start (another) RCC-bashing thread. But you don't get to dictate what threads are about. And typing "inherent bigotry" does not magically transform your words into facts.

[trotsky]

12. You are correct.

"We're sorry that we have judged you based on our belief that you are sinning and 'inherently disordered' so please just be celibate and we'll call it even."

[skepticscott]

5. And did he also say that his church should ask forgiveness

for holding fast to the doctrine that homosexuals are "inherently disordered"? Or for continuing to oppose marriage and adoption for same sex couples?

Yes, beat someone, apologize for beating them, then resume beating them. A familiar refrain.

And since I can only see one reply out of 4, someone has apparently (and predictably) stepped up to defend the catholic church's homophobic bigotry. Again.

[rug]

6. I'll pass it on that skepticscott says he should retract his statement.

[skepticscott]

8. And yet again

More attempts at deflection from homophobic bigotry. The posts almost write themselves.

[rug]

14. Yours can be selected from a card catalogue.

This one was # 8.

[trotsky]

21. There are pathetic assholes who always defend their church first.

People like Bill Donohue, for instance. Not many of them on DU but it's easy dealing with them. Not much you need to do - their behavior speaks for itself and lets everyone else know where their priorities really lie.

[Lordquinton]

9. This scene is rather pertenant

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. Even if I give Francis the benefit of the doubt and assume he's genuinely sorry...

...his apology is impossible to square with his efforts to prevent gay people from enjoying the same rights afforded to straights.

If he wants people to stop treating gays like they're inferior, then he should stop telling everyone gays are inferior.