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Christopher Hitchens - Mother Teresa: Hell's Angel (Original Post) Major Nikon Sep 2016 OP
I miss Hitch, greatly. Laffy Kat Sep 2016 #1
Not as much as I do. Cheers. Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #28
Obviously. Laffy Kat Sep 2016 #36
Jesus Christ Lordquinton Sep 2016 #37
before I watched this video I had great respect for Mother Teresa..... chillfactor Sep 2016 #2
I don't recall that Hitchens ever had anything good to say about anyone. So this comes as no surprise The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #3
Mother Teresa thought abortion was the "greatest threat to peace" Major Nikon Sep 2016 #7
You expected Mother Teresa to be pro-abortion??? The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #8
The lack of toilets and the general lack of sanitation in the missions is independently documented. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #9
"I'm proud to blame Teresa for the lack of toilets in India!" struggle4progress Sep 2016 #24
It was a medical facility Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #25
India's 900 largest cities generate at least 29 thousand million liters of sewage daily struggle4progress Sep 2016 #31
... Calcutta's sewage system was created under the British around the turn of the century struggle4progress Sep 2016 #33
I see a sewer has broken and a flood of Google Gish has poured out. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #35
The actual facts might interest anyone who is really concerned about sanitation in India, struggle4progress Sep 2016 #44
I don't expect anyone other than misogynist shitbags to be anti-abortion Major Nikon Sep 2016 #11
Thats a pretty brave stand. Spent a lot of time in places like Calcutta have you? The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #12
Kolkata Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #13
"Of course, more politically correct visitors tripped all the time, rug Sep 2016 #17
Do you agree with her on abortion? Lordquinton Sep 2016 #38
How do you pronounce Kolkata, quinton? rug Sep 2016 #39
Do you agree with her stance on abortion? Lordquinton Sep 2016 #40
Start a thread on abortion if you want my opinion on it. rug Sep 2016 #41
Do you agree with her on abortion? Lordquinton Sep 2016 #42
It speaks volumes about you. rug Sep 2016 #43
That makes no sense Lordquinton Sep 2016 #45
You mean like you've judged Hitchens? Major Nikon Sep 2016 #14
I'll judge Hitchens. rug Sep 2016 #16
The day that you or Hitchens are awarded a Nobel Prize or become saints The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #19
Those that have no substance to offer are easily forgotten Major Nikon Sep 2016 #20
Henry Kissinger has a Nobel Prize. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #23
Agnes Bojaxhiu collected hundreds of millions of dollars in donations. trotsky Sep 2016 #34
She thought OTHER people's suffering was a gift from God. Mariana Sep 2016 #15
I guess you would know the details of her death. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #21
Don't need to be an expert to read the news. Mariana Sep 2016 #22
When we lost Hitch, we lost a gem. nt longship Sep 2016 #4
Hitch was not a gem. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #27
I don't agree with everything he said. longship Sep 2016 #29
Did you at least appreciate the humor in my response? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #30
I am not sure. longship Sep 2016 #32
As I stated on the other thread, this video may as well have been titled: jonno99 Sep 2016 #5
The problem those who make such observations have is Hitchens wasn't the only one calling bullshit Major Nikon Sep 2016 #6
It really isn't RCC doctrine that the dying poor should be denied palliative care. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #10
Exactly. Mariana Sep 2016 #18
I'm also pretty sure the RCC is in favor of sanitation. Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #26

chillfactor

(7,610 posts)
2. before I watched this video I had great respect for Mother Teresa.....
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 12:35 AM
Sep 2016

after watching the video.....that respect took a serious nose dive.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
3. I don't recall that Hitchens ever had anything good to say about anyone. So this comes as no surprise
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 12:53 AM
Sep 2016

He was a Gore Vidal wannabe, and not a very good one.

And Oh how he hated the Clintons!

Major Nikon

(36,864 posts)
7. Mother Teresa thought abortion was the "greatest threat to peace"
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:50 AM
Sep 2016

She also thought suffering was a gift from god and she was baptizing those within the care of her charity without any regard to their chosen religion. Those who want to focus on Hitchens rather than Mother Teresa or the facts presented appear to embrace ad hominem because that seems to be all they have to impeach the work.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
8. You expected Mother Teresa to be pro-abortion???
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 02:51 PM
Sep 2016

Hitchens was a miserable drunken sot that didn't do anything but write nasty shit about everybody and everything. He wasn't worthy to clean Mother Teresa's toilet.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
9. The lack of toilets and the general lack of sanitation in the missions is independently documented.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 02:53 PM
Sep 2016

You might want to pick a different metaphor.

struggle4progress

(118,566 posts)
31. India's 900 largest cities generate at least 29 thousand million liters of sewage daily
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:32 PM
Sep 2016

About 85% of these cities have no sewage treatment facilities, so about 80% of the sewage remains untreated

http://cpcb.nic.in/newitems/12.pdf

struggle4progress

(118,566 posts)
33. ... Calcutta's sewage system was created under the British around the turn of the century
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:41 PM
Sep 2016

to serve a city of 600,000. The system has had little added to it and the original structure has significantly deriorated yet it is supposed to serve a city of now about 14 millions ...
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/calcutta.htm


Collapses of old brick sewers in Kolkata have become more frequent in the last years
http://www.bi-constructionnews.com/en_article_sewer_rehabilitation_in_Kolkata.news

struggle4progress

(118,566 posts)
44. The actual facts might interest anyone who is really concerned about sanitation in India,
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 07:08 PM
Sep 2016

where about 875 million people do not have access to toilets and about 750 million people simply defecate openly





Major Nikon

(36,864 posts)
11. I don't expect anyone other than misogynist shitbags to be anti-abortion
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 03:34 PM
Sep 2016

So for someone to use their undeserved claim to fame to promote that shitbag position so vehemently is rather telling.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
12. Thats a pretty brave stand. Spent a lot of time in places like Calcutta have you?
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 03:59 PM
Sep 2016

You are you to judge anybody?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. "Of course, more politically correct visitors tripped all the time,
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 04:41 PM
Sep 2016

trying to carefully enunciate Kolkata and putting the stress in all the wrong places."

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/09/02/492447039/tk

How do you pronounce it, warren? There's an audio at the link if you want to correct it.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
40. Do you agree with her stance on abortion?
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 12:36 PM
Sep 2016

Why is this a question you can't answer rug? It's a very simple, yet very important question.

Major Nikon

(36,864 posts)
14. You mean like you've judged Hitchens?
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 04:28 PM
Sep 2016

Meanwhile people are still quoting him after his death while you are still throwing rotten tomatoes anonymously on the interwebs.

Did you even bother considering statements like that work both ways?

And I've been to India and several other 3rd world areas, not that it has anything to do with the subject at hand and just seems like another lame lob on your part rather than dealing with the actual facts of matter.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
16. I'll judge Hitchens.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 04:36 PM
Sep 2016

He was a war-mongering cheerleader of George Bush and his wars, and a failed trotskyite.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
19. The day that you or Hitchens are awarded a Nobel Prize or become saints
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 07:20 PM
Sep 2016

will be the day that I would buy any of that nonsense. Forget it.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
34. Agnes Bojaxhiu collected hundreds of millions of dollars in donations.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 04:01 PM
Sep 2016

Where did all that money go?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2003/10/mommie_dearest.html

...This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been—she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself—and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?


https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/a-new-expose-on-mother-teresa-shows-that-she-and-the-vatican-were-even-worse-than-we-thought/

“At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries. The missions have been described as “homes for the dying” by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta. Two-thirds of the people coming to these missions hoped to a find a doctor to treat them, while the other third lay dying without receiving appropriate care. The doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers. The problem is not a lack of money—the Foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundreds of millions of dollars—but rather a particular conception of suffering and death: “There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering,” was her reply to criticism, cites the journalist Christopher Hitchens. Nevertheless, when Mother Teresa required palliative care, she received it in a modern American hospital.


Why didn't she choose to honor god with her suffering, as she forced others to?

Mariana

(14,870 posts)
15. She thought OTHER people's suffering was a gift from God.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 04:36 PM
Sep 2016

She wasn't terribly interested in experiencing that particular gift from God herself, was she?

Mariana

(14,870 posts)
22. Don't need to be an expert to read the news.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:53 PM
Sep 2016

She died of a massive heart attack, is what was reported.

Another poster has already linked to reports about the appalling conditions and lack of treatment the inmates of her facilities endured. But when she sought medical attention, she went to modern hospitals to obtain it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. Hitch was not a gem.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:04 PM
Sep 2016

He was a piece of coal waiting to become a diamond. With enough pressure, and thousands of years, who knows.

longship

(40,416 posts)
29. I don't agree with everything he said.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:20 PM
Sep 2016

But I don't have to in order to love the guy. He was one of the greatest orators of our age. His religious oratory was splendid. god is not Great is an extraordinary read.

I don't throw people under the bus just because of a disagreement. That would be a stupid thing to do. And regrettably, all too common here on DU.

Hitchens was awesome.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
5. As I stated on the other thread, this video may as well have been titled:
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 02:20 AM
Sep 2016

Hitchens Disagrees with Catholic Church Doctrine

Big surprise there - not...

Major Nikon

(36,864 posts)
6. The problem those who make such observations have is Hitchens wasn't the only one calling bullshit
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:45 AM
Sep 2016

The editor of the Lancet investigated and verified the same conditions as did others.

Mariana

(14,870 posts)
18. Exactly.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 04:43 PM
Sep 2016

Denial of pain relieving treatment to people who are dying was Mother Teresa's doctrine, not that of the RCC.

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