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rug

(82,333 posts)
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 06:31 PM Jan 2017

Religious children arent less generous after all

01/18/2017 12:40 pm ET
ResearchGate

A study finding that children with a Christian or Muslim upbringing were less altruistic than their non-religious counterparts made waves in 2015. However, new analysis of the data reveals that this is not actually the case. In the study, developmental psychologists looked at five- to twelve-year-olds in Canada, China, Jordan, Turkey, South Africa, and the United States. The children were given stickers and provided the opportunity to share them with peers who were not present. The number of stickers shared provided a quantifiable indicator of each child’s altruism.

After interpreting the resulting data, the study’s authors concluded that children from religious families were less generous. However, new analysis shows that the original study failed to adequately control for the children’s nationality. After correcting this error, the authors of a newly published paper found no relationship between religiosity and generosity. We speak with first author Azim Shariff to learn more.

ResearchGate: What first led you to reexamine this data?

Azim Shariff: I had received several inquiries from journalists asking me to comment on the study since I’ve also done quite a bit of research on the topic of religion and prosocial behavior. After a couple of these inquiries, my colleagues and I started looking more closely at the original paper’s analysis section and noticed some oddities and omissions. So I asked the original author about it. He eventually sent me the original dataset so that we could run our reanalysis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/researchgate/religious-children-arent_b_14248680.html

This reminds me of the back and forth over eggs.

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Religious children arent less generous after all (Original Post) rug Jan 2017 OP
Eggs taste good, and they are good for you. And duck eggs are the best. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #1
I should have been more clear. rug Jan 2017 #2
Then we are united in our defense of eggs. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #3
Comrade! rug Jan 2017 #4
It would be... tonedevil Jan 2017 #5
At the moment, it looks like religion is not a factor at all. rug Jan 2017 #6
I vaguely remember... tonedevil Jan 2017 #7
From the study by Shariff et al: Jim__ Jan 2017 #8
Was this in a refereed journal? SwissTony Jan 2017 #9
Current Biology. Jim__ Jan 2017 #10

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Eggs taste good, and they are good for you. And duck eggs are the best.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jan 2017

There is no debate in our house.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. I should have been more clear.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 07:51 PM
Jan 2017

I meant the revolving studies on the health benefits of eggs versus the health detriment of cholesterol.

Throughout, I defended eggs. Call me an egg apologist.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
5. It would be...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 08:07 PM
Jan 2017

shocking if it were true. My experience is that being religious isn't much of a predictive value regarding how one might act. Even within a single congregation there is a lot of variation between individuals.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
6. At the moment, it looks like religion is not a factor at all.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 08:09 PM
Jan 2017
However, new analysis shows that the original study failed to adequately control for the children’s nationality. After correcting this error, the authors of a newly published paper found no relationship between religiosity and generosity.
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
7. I vaguely remember...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 08:16 PM
Jan 2017

the study and thinking it didn't make much sense at the time. Your egg comparison is pretty solid.

Jim__

(14,075 posts)
8. From the study by Shariff et al:
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:36 PM
Jan 2017

( Source )

Decety et al. <1> examined the relationships between household
religiosity and sociality in children sampled from six countries. We were
keenly interested in Decety et al. <1>’s conclusions about a negative
relationship between religiosity and generosity — measured with
the Dictator Game — as our team has investigated related questions,
often with potentially contrasting findings <2–5>. We argue here that,
after addressing peculiarities in their analyses, Decety et al. <1>’s
data are consistent with a different interpretation.

Given that previous studies (for example <6–8> ) have shown cross-
national variation in Dictator Game behavior, Decety et al. <1>’s approach
of aiming to include country-level fixed effects in their analysis, to
account for mean differences among countries, is sensible. But when they
included their categorically-coded country (1 = US, 2 = Canada, and so
on) in their models, it was entered not as fixed effects, with dummy variables
for all of the countries except one, but as a continuous measure. This treats
the variable as a measure of ‘country-ness’ (for example, Canada is twice
as much a country as the US) instead of providing the fixed effects they
explicitly intended. We have repeated Decety et al. <1>’s intended analysis by
using actual fixed effects, along with their model specifications, and then
explored other plausible specifications and modelling approaches. Our
analyses reveal meaningfully different results from those originally reported.



That sounds like a hell of a mistake. Good catch by the reviewers.

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
9. Was this in a refereed journal?
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 08:51 AM
Jan 2017

I wouldn't let the authors near data again and I'd have strong concerns about the original referees. The new results aren't "meaningfully different" from the old results because the old results don't have any meaning.

Jim__

(14,075 posts)
10. Current Biology.
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:39 PM
Jan 2017

Reference 1 from the Shariff study:

1. Decety, J., Cowell, J. M., Lee, K., Mahasneh, R., Malcolm-Smith, S., Selcuk, B.,
and Zhou, X. (2015). The negative association between religiousness and children’s altruism
across the world. Curr. Biol. 25, 2951–2955.


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