Pope's message on Earth day

[Cattledog]

Link to tweet

[trotsky]

1. Hey Wonderpope...

"...that we may protect the world and not prey on it, that we may sow beauty, not pollution and destruction."

What role do you think overpopulation plays in that?

[uriel1972]

2. So says the Director...

Of one of the richest Corporations in the world.

[Heddi]

3. Yes but

he drives a shitty car therefore he understands the plight of normal people

[rug]

4. Far better than you.

[AtheistCrusader]

7. Not sure about the current pope, but Ratzinger used to charter a A320 to carry about 70

people (about 30 Vatican officials and handlers, and a couple dozen reporters) around.

So, ostentatious AND wasteful/non-environmentally friendly.

Not to mention shipping the popemobile and other vehicles to visitation destinations.



Tell us all about the modesty and environmental cleanliness of the Vatican/Co.

[rug]

8. So, are you pissed off the Pope supports environmentalism, or

are you just pissed off the Pope said anything?

[AtheistCrusader]

11. I'm pissed off at 'do as I say, not as I do'.

Lead by example.

I feel the same way about Leonardo DiCaprio when he does the same shit. Champion environmental causes, then burn more CO2 than I do in a YEAR, just to go somewhere and accept an award.

[rug]

16. So you do like what he says.

You'll be thrown out of the club.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. I don't respect 'good words' from people who demonstrate the opposite of the words.

Actions > Words.

[rug]

20. But you do consider the words good.

Else, why the disappointment and anger.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. The actions of the person making the pronouncement can support, or undermine the message.

Had I been given that message sans the origin, I might consider them good words. But add the context of who says it, and how they behave, and the message is undermined.

It's not as much of a smoking ruin as if it were an eloquent and positive speech about Women's Issues/Rights, if delivered by Donald Trump. The Vatican does have a large array of solar panels, and buys carbon offsets in a forest, I think in France. So, not a complete sad ruin.

But not good either. The message is damaged when, say, climate deniers calc the carbon footprint of Al Gore's home while Al is trying to draw attention to the issue. When you're asking people to pay more for greener things/energy, or asking them to conserve more, which is essentially 'doing without', and it can be shown you consume far more than the average person...

Kinda screws up the message, n'est-ce pas?

[okasha]

24. Uhm, just like any other head of state.

I don't recall your yelping every time President Obama travelled. With his officials, Secret Service, and his incredibly heavy armored car. Did you complain every time he made a statement for Earth Day?

[AtheistCrusader]

25. Just like every other head of state. Do lets compare the carbon footprint of the travel budget of

the pope to that of the leader of Grenada, which has 100x the population of Vatican City.

[okasha]

27. Do let's compare the status and range of influence

of the Pope and the leader of Grenada, known to much of the world only as the bemused victim of Ronald Reagan's incomprehensible invasion.

[AtheistCrusader]

28. Well, then we're really not talking about nations then.

How many people worldwide are citizens of their home country, and Vatican City?

[okasha]

29. I don't know what you're talking about,

but I'm talking about heads of state, who may or may not be of importance relative to the population of the state.

[Act_of_Reparation]

6. And there is a strong correlation between wearing black sneakers...

...and understanding the financial consequences of unplanned pregnancy.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. or the carbon footprint of an unplanned pregnancy.

[rug]

5. Ok, how rich is it?

[AtheistCrusader]

9. Largest single landowner in Manhattan.

http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

[rug]

10. "Little is known about the Catholic churchs finances outside America."

[AtheistCrusader]

12. There's a book that was released recently.

You're right, the RCC is notoriously tight-lipped about financial holdings.

Also, money-laundering rules has made it difficult for them to operate in many banking systems.

[rug]

13. So, the claim that it is "one of the richest Corporations in the world" is unsupported.

And you attribute it to money-laundering and secrecy. Is that your new claim?

[AtheistCrusader]

14. Plenty supported.

The American catholic church alone spent more money in 2015 than the revenue of the single largest Chinese development bank (Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd).

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/how-rich-vatican-so-wealthy-it-can-stumble-across-millions-euros-just-tucked-away-1478219

Not 'one of', THE richest corporation in the world.

[rug]

15. That contradicts your first link.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. The data in the first link is a couple years older and made a slightly different comparison

to a list of corporations. (And that bank wasn't as large in 2012).

More specificity about the 'contradiction' would be helpful.

[rug]

17. Hey trotsky . . .

What role do you think capitalism plays in that?

[AtheistCrusader]

23. I don't know, I only buy high output LED lights, and dropped another thousand dollars on R30 insulat

ion this winter.

[Akamai]

26. My son and I were at the Science March in Washington, DC, when this was played at the screen

at the end of the presentations.

Thank you, Pope Francis!