We knew what we were doing: Gushee on Trump, 2015-2016

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

I have watched the first six months of the Trump Presidency mainly in stunned silence.
In this column, what I will do is quote some of what I said about Donald Trump my Religion News Service columns during the presidential campaign.
The reason for doing so should be obvious. We knew what we were doing, and we did it anyway. The warning signs about Donald Trump were everywhere, and we elected him president anyway. That undoubtedly says far more about us than it does about him.

To read more:

http://religionnews.com/2017/08/07/gushee-on-trump-character-2016/

"The warning signs...were everywhere, and we elected him president (sic) anyway."

[trotsky]

1. People are conditioned by religion to ignore facts in favor of faith.

Religion often commands that its followers do just that.

Thanks for the reminder, here in the Religion forum.

[guillaumeb]

2. People are conditioned by their leaders and their upbringing.

It is part of the process of socialization that takes place in any group of individuals.

[trotsky]

3. So religion is a complete nonfactor in all of human behavior then?

Is that what you're saying?

[guillaumeb]

4. The opposite of what I said, and have said before.

Any group of individuals imposes a form of socialization to group norms and behaviors.

[trotsky]

6. Oh, so you're saying that religion is a wholly human creation...

with absolutely no divine elements or justification behind it?

Is that what you're saying?

[guillaumeb]

7. I cannot find what you wrote expressed in what I wrote.

Perhaps you can enlighten me on this subject.

[trotsky]

8. I'm asking a question.

Can you answer it?

[guillaumeb]

10. A question that is irrelevant to the post and my actual responses.

So perhaps if you explain your reason(s) for asking the question....

[trotsky]

11. Ok

THE QUESTION IS RELEVANT BECAUSE YOU POSTED THIS ARTICLE IN THE RELIGION GROUP, AND MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE ROLE OF RELIGION IN THIS TOPIC.

How's that?

[guillaumeb]

12. Thta is unclear.

I posted an article on a particular topic. If you wish to post an article about the topic that you seem interested in pursuing, please do so.

[trotsky]

13. LMFAO

So typical. Can't answer.

[guillaumeb]

14. Do not confuse ability with desire.

The essential difference between can not and will not.

But given your demonstrated fondness for this forum, please consider a post about this topic that so obviously interests you.

[trotsky]

15. Thanks once again for refusing to dialog because you have judged me unworthy.

I keep trying. Maybe someday we'll have a breakthrough. Not today, though.

[guillaumeb]

16. Again I missed finding what you read in my actual response.

If you wish to have a dialogue on this particular topic, feel free to start a post.

[trotsky]

17. I will remember this response.

Great way to shut down dialog and express contempt. Learning from the best here. Thanks!

[Angry Dragon]

18. I will say it: religion is a wholly human creation..

[progressoid]

5. Some of the most ardent Trump supporters I know are also some of the most religious.

Not a coincidence, IMHO.

[trotsky]

9. Yeah, they do tend to go hand-in-hand. n/t