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Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:57 AM

Feel the Christian Love on this Billboard

But, yeah, "Fake News" billboards are the problem.

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Reply Feel the Christian Love on this Billboard (Original post)
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 OP
pandr32 Dec 2017 #1
democratisphere Dec 2017 #2
Igel Dec 2017 #25
ffr Dec 2017 #3
CatMor Dec 2017 #4
Igel Dec 2017 #26
Cartoonist Dec 2017 #5
dchill Dec 2017 #6
DetlefK Dec 2017 #7
Mariana Dec 2017 #8
trotsky Dec 2017 #9
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #10
marble falls Dec 2017 #11
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #12
marble falls Dec 2017 #13
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #15
marble falls Dec 2017 #17
Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #23
Mariana Dec 2017 #29
Mariana Dec 2017 #20
Igel Dec 2017 #28
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #14
marble falls Dec 2017 #16
marylandblue Dec 2017 #18
Mariana Dec 2017 #19
Lordquinton Dec 2017 #21
Mariana Dec 2017 #22
Lordquinton Dec 2017 #31
Mariana Dec 2017 #32
Lordquinton Dec 2017 #34
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #39
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #27
Mariana Dec 2017 #30
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #33
uriel1972 Dec 2017 #35
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #41
Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #24
uriel1972 Dec 2017 #36
Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #37
Mariana Dec 2017 #38
Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #42
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #40
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #43
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #45
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #47
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #44
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #46
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #48
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #52
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #55
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #56
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #57
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #59
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #60
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #58
trotsky Dec 2017 #49
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #53
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #50
EricMaundry Dec 2017 #51
guillaumeb Dec 2017 #54

Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:00 PM

1. Good grief!

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:01 PM

2. Love the Christ-like hypocracy.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:16 PM

25. Would that be ...

Rule by those below?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:14 PM

3. Talk about a red herring? It's the people who paid for this sign that are hating on America.

Putin dark money or just misdirected idiocy?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:17 PM

4. I don't hate America

but I hate what it has become.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:22 PM

26. Regression to the mean.

It has become what it mostly was. But less so.

We like it when it's being remade in our image.

Take that into a marriage. We only love our spouses when they act like we want them to, and change those things we dislike. Yes, it's a decent analogy. Humans like validation; we like flattery, and imitation is a good form of it. Bad, when we're spurned.

For most of my lifetime, the US has been moderately racist and misogynistic, with tinges (or more than tinges) of ethnic pride. Yet I recall vestiges of actual Jim Crowe--one of my earliest memories is being told not to use a water fountain near a mall, but to use another, located nearby. There were two. The one that was still there a few years later said "whites only." My (D) mother didn't want me used the _________'s water fountain.

(Match that with my (R) father's response when, in 3rd grade, I heard the n-word for the first time and asked about it that night at dinner. He told me if he ever heard that word again I'd really regret it. Which was confusing, since my mother had qualms over Obama, and only decided he wasn't a __________ when she said he was a widely published college professor. By which she meant "published a lot about the law." Wrong about so many things.)

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:18 PM

5. Name one

Small print

Atheist must be a natural born citizen
Quote or action requires link
America is defined as the land, not the government

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:20 PM

6. Jesus hates me this I know...

For the billboard tells me so.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:21 PM

7. We hate America for their Freedoms.

You know...
The freedom of not having healthcare.
The freedom of getting shot by some wacko who shouldn't own a gun.
The freedom to be shot by a cop with an itchy finger.
The freedom to drink poisoned water.
The freedom to breathe poisoned air.
The freedom to eat processed crap with too much sugar in it.
The freedom to have your vote rendered meaningless by partisan redistricting.
The freedom of having your vote rendered meaningless by legalized bribery from lobbyists.
The freedom of getting demonized for not believing the fairy-tales of illiterate Bronze-Age desert-dwellers.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 02:01 PM

8. Has this billboard made national news?

Where are the people who were snarking about "evangelical atheism" over those billboards? Don't they have anything to say about evangelical Christian hatred?

I don't even want to hear that those who put up this billboard aren't real Christians. Of course they are.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 02:08 PM

9. Well you know, atheists put one up that said they don't believe religious claims.

So that was probably worse than this. Somehow.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 02:51 PM

10. It's disrespectful, doncha know.

Saying mean things about an invisible sky wizard is just as bad, if not worse, than accusing people en masse of capital offenses.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:19 PM

11. Because this bill board represents all Christians?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:35 PM

12. Don't believe I said that.

*double checks OP*

Nope. Didn't say that.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:39 PM

13. Just asking, no need to be testy...

"Feel the Christian Love....." "The Christian" as opposed to "Some Christian"s or "Some self recognizing Christians". We woulden't want to broad-brush now would we?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:47 PM

15. My response was no more testy than yours.

Are the people that put that up Christian? Yes. So my title is just fine. Are you the person that responds to the #metoo movement with "not all men"?

But I am confident that when people make statements about atheists in this group that you will be there to make sure there is no broad brush with as much alacrity as on this OP.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:49 PM

17. You assume. Thats accurate AND self evident.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 06:47 PM

23. so you weren't "just asking".

If you were going to pretend that you were "juat askin' a simple question', you probably shouldn't double down on the accusations in the next sentence.

Just sayin'.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 08:11 PM

29. Marble Falls apparently still has nothing to say

about the Christian message on the billboard.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 05:39 PM

20. See, Cuthbert, you are in the wrong here.

Your post is more offensive, apparently, than the Christian message on that billboard. It's always good to know what's important to whom. Don't you agree?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:44 PM

28. It's like the atheist tolerance here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218261342

The problem is one of a double standard.

"I say something, I just mean it to include those, possibly few people, I intend. They say something, it includes everybody, and I'm going to take offense."

Context matters. Yet we insist it mustn't.

Intent matters. Yet it's inconvenient to what *we* want to say and feel and think, so we insist it's only the viewer/hearer (that would be "us" that's important.

We shift definitions and contexts as necessary to confirm our bias, yet refuse to not impose our context and bias on others.

In church, I was taught that this is arrogant, and humility is a virtue. In my undergrad chem classes, I was taught that a certain humility is necessary when faced with valid data and opposing views. In this, the two find quite good agreement. Well beyond 5 sigma.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:44 PM

14. We've been through this song and dance more times than any of us could care to remember.

So how about we just skip the foreplay and get right to the part where you chastise the resident atheists for not expressing outrage in a manner sufficiently deferential to the nation's most privileged religious class.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:47 PM

16. Just asking, no need to be testy...

"Feel the Christian Love....." "The Christian" as opposed to "Some Christian"s or "Some self recognizing Christians". We wouldn't want to broad-brush now would we?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:54 PM

18. Well would you agree there is no Christian love in that billboard?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 05:30 PM

19. Why jump to the conclusion the poster

meant all Christians in the first place? What's the point of adding unnecessary words? "The trees are tall" doesn't imply that every tree on the face of the earth is tall. Some trees are sad stubby little things, and some Christians don't agree with the Christian message in the OP. And why say they are self-identifying Christians? More unnecessary words. All Christians are self-identifying. Saying that would be redundant, similar to saying "I live in a big house home."

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Response to marble falls (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 05:45 PM

21. And you take more offence to someone not parcing their words out the way you demand

rather than the offencive content. You may as well be posting, as has been pointed out, #notallmen

It's been a while since this method has been tried here. I really didn't miss it

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 05:56 PM

22. I guess the content is only offensive if all Christians agree with it.

Next, we'll be told the people who put up the billboard aren't Christians.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 08:50 PM

31. True, haven't seen that one yet

All the classics are coming back into style, just say an "angry atheist" line the other day.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 09:17 PM

32. Oh, it's here already, in this thread. Didn't take long. nt.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 09:49 PM

34. I wonder who got atheist bingo

I'm still missing a few squares

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Response to marble falls (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:34 AM

39. Yeah, you're "just asking"...

Asking why a guy who has just been accused of hating his country by a bunch of bigots why he didn't phrase his outrage in a manner more deferential to the delicate feelings of those who hold the lion's share of this country's political capital.

We get it. Really, we do.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:33 PM

27. That billboard is intending to represent

all non-believers.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 08:17 PM

30. Oh, but that's completely different!

What Cuthbert posted is obviously more offensive. Somehow.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 09:23 PM

33. Nope.

If Christians, even just some of them, are willing to paint non-believers with a broad brush, then they'll get it back. Something about doing unto others.

Look, I get it that at best a minority of self-identified Christians will agree with that billboard. But it never feels as if they speak up very strongly, just a weak, "We're not all like that." I want to see a strong condemnation of such bullshit. Another billboard that displays inclusiveness of every possible kind. Cake bakers who understand that baking a cake for someone with a very different way of life in no way endangers theirs. And so on.

And especially when I over and over again see the crap repeated about how if you're not a believer you can't possibly live a good life. You can't feel compassion for others or give to charity. Or the real nonsense about how it's not possible to lead a good and moral life if you don't live in constant fear of punishment.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 12:06 AM

35. minority?... nt

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 05:21 PM

41. #40

Same nonsense, but sponsored in this case by atheists.

Agreed?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 06:53 PM

24. fake christians look at China and Russia as atheist countrys so

if these atheist countries hate American all atheists hate America

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 12:07 AM

36. Looking at the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church...

I would not be so quick to say Russia is an atheist country... However some people are stuck in the 1950's

on edit: Oh and what makes you say they are fake Christians, where is your proof of apostasy?

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 01:30 AM

37. I do not say it but fake christians do

I believe I have the right to call anyone a fake christian

Please be so kind to list all the attributes of Jesus??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 02:39 AM

38. You certainly have the right to say they are non-Christians.

That doesn't mean anyone is compelled to agree with you. I suspect their faith in Christ is genuine. They don't interpret the book the same way you do, perhaps, and have a different idea of what God expects of them, but I don't think that makes them non-Christians.

I would ask you this: If they aren't Christians, then what are they, exactly? They don't appear to be atheists. Are they followers of some other religion? If so, which one?

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Response to Mariana (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:53 PM

42. It seems the New Testament is full of directions Jesus laid down.

To me this would point to a One True Path
If one does not try to follow this path and says they believe in Jesus would make them a fake christian.
Just believing in Jesus does not make a christian.

answers:
fake christians
yes
their own

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 05:20 PM

40. Just as diplomatic and tolerant as this one?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 08:12 PM

43. Right.

Saying you don't believe in an idea, or saying that idea is bunkum is the same as designating an entire demographic enemies of the nation.

Good job.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:59 AM

45. Intolerance.

But if one accepts it when it accords with one's beliefs, that is an acceptance of intolerance.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:38 PM

47. Except it isn't.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 08:56 PM

44. Really? You think those are the same?

1. God isn't real
2. Atheists aren't real Americans

Yeah, those are the same. for the impaired.

This might be a new low.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #44)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:00 PM

46. A new low is accepting intolerance when the intolerance

accords with a position with which one agrees.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:41 PM

48. Spare us your sanctimony.

It's tiresome.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 05:23 PM

52. "Tiresome" is exhibiting a consistent double standard.

THAT is tiresome.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 07:19 PM

55. There is no double standard.

"Religion is fake" is no more intolerant a statement than "Jesus is real". I doubt you'd get yourself worked into an indignant tizzy over the latter statement, so what's your problem with the former? Oh, right.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 07:25 PM

56. The double standard is quite blatant at times.

Other times, it is exceedingly blatant.

The same is true with the dismissive attitudes and condescension.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 09:21 AM

57. Yes, you face such persecution.

It must suck sharing the same in-group with 70% of the population and 99% of the country's most powerful people. How do you cope with it? I mean, besides projecting onto atheists.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #57)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 04:58 PM

59. So you admit it?

Good on your part to admit what is easily observable.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 15, 2017, 07:49 AM

60. Good hustle.

Last edited Fri Dec 15, 2017, 09:38 AM - Edit history (1)

But unfortunately I don't think anyone here is actually dumb enough to confuse sarcasm with an admission of guilt.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 10:16 AM

58. So you think the movie "God is Real" is an intolerant film?

You rail against it as intolerance? Because that is the EXACT same statement as "God isn't real." And apparently "god isn't real" is as bad and intolerant as "atheists aren't real Americans."

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:47 PM

49. Is it really intolerance to say "I think god is imaginary"?

Is that where you've set the bar?

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Response to trotsky (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 05:25 PM

53. Intolerance is demonstrated in both bill boards.

But some reserve their criticism for only one of the bill boards. Inconsistent and intolerant.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:57 PM

50. Saying god isn't real is intolerance?

How? It has nothing to do with the person. I has to do with a belief.

And for you to equate that with "atheists are real Americans" is just shameful.

They are nowhere near the same.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 03:34 PM

51. Maybe that was a reference to this:

 

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Response to EricMaundry (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 05:27 PM

54. An interesting graphic, but rated as untrue.

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