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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:28 AM Jan 2018

If You Think The Christian War Against Pagans Has Ended - Read This:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/why-witchcraft-can-never-be-used-to-accomplish-good-38896

Why witchcraft can never be used to accomplish good
By Mary Rezac
Washington D.C., Sep 27, 2017 / 03:12 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Shortly after Donald Trump assumed the office of President of the United States, witches across the country began large-scale efforts to cast binding spells on him.

Amanda Yates Garcia, a self-identified witch known as the “Oracle of Los Angeles,” told Tucker Carlson of FOX News last week that the binding spells are not intended to harm Trump, but rather are intended to prevent him from causing any harm to others.

“Binding spells are a symbolic action used to harness the powers of the imagination and achieve a tangible result, eventually,” she said.

~snip~

Catholic theologian Dr. Anthony Lilles told CNA that even though the end result of witchcraft, magic or a spell may be some perceived good, these means are always an evil and are always below the dignity of the human person.


Although witches are no longer tried in court and executed, the Roman Catholic Church is still on the warpath against witchcraft and other pagan religious practices. In some ways, we're still living in the 15th century, it seems.
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If You Think The Christian War Against Pagans Has Ended - Read This: (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2018 OP
when you officially believe in demonic possession and transubstantiation Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #1
Yes. It's important to look into doctrinal beliefs, not just words MineralMan Jan 2018 #3
And This: Report: 479 Women Accused Of 'Witchcraft' Killed in Tanzania MineralMan Jan 2018 #2
And prayer is not casting a magic spell because...reasons? Pope George Ringo II Jan 2018 #4
witchcraft is more like p2p networking. Prayer has to go through the cloud. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #5
Fair enough Pope George Ringo II Jan 2018 #7
Well, of course it is exactly like casting a spell. MineralMan Jan 2018 #6
I'd just like to hear him say that prayer is always evil and beneath human dignity. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2018 #8
spell mercuryblues Jan 2018 #11
Many Pagans don't even engage in ridiculous rituals. democratisphere Jan 2018 #9
And I don't mind any rituals they might hold. MineralMan Jan 2018 #10
Compare with Mormon 'baptism of the dead'. Igel Jan 2018 #12
It's all beyond my ability to believe, so it doesn't really matter to me. MineralMan Jan 2018 #13
A three month old article? PragmaticDem Jan 2018 #14
Yes. Only three months old. MineralMan Jan 2018 #15
Enjoy! PragmaticDem Jan 2018 #16
about a religion that is 2000 yrs old lol nt msongs Jan 2018 #17

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
1. when you officially believe in demonic possession and transubstantiation
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jan 2018

witchcraft is just more of the same.

circa 300 ce voodoo bullshit

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
3. Yes. It's important to look into doctrinal beliefs, not just words
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jan 2018

spoken in public. Deep within old doctrines are attitudes and prejudices that still inform the church hierarchy, even today. While those attitudes may not be directly acted on, they remain part of the core principles of the religious organization, and should be examined.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
2. And This: Report: 479 Women Accused Of 'Witchcraft' Killed in Tanzania
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jan 2018
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Report-479-Women-Accused-Of-Witchcraft-Killed-in-Tanzania-20170731-0029.html

In the last 20 years, thousands of women are strangled, stabbed and burned alive on the pretext of practicing "witchcraft."

Since the start of 2017, some 479 women killed in Tanzania were accused of practicing witchcraft, according to a report released Monday by the Dar es Salaam-based Legal and Human Rights Centre (LHRC).

Five women who were accused of being witches were murdered by a mob last week. On average, an estimated 80 people are killed each month in Tanzania, the report stated.

Wilbroad Mtafungwa, a Tabora regional police general in the province where the killings occurred, said that vigilante killings related to witchcraft were on the rise in the area.


Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
4. And prayer is not casting a magic spell because...reasons?
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:37 AM
Jan 2018

A ritual to ask a supernatural entity for intercession is a ritual to ask a supernatural entity for intercession.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
6. Well, of course it is exactly like casting a spell.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:40 AM
Jan 2018
Dear Lord, we'd just ask you to help Donald Trump achieve his goal of building a wall to keep brown people out of the United State. Amen.

Of course it's spellcasting. Not a bit of difference in that at all. All prayer is an appeal to magic, supernatural intercession.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
8. I'd just like to hear him say that prayer is always evil and beneath human dignity.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:43 AM
Jan 2018

I mean, the guy is part of an organization which really believes "Gloria" has eighteen syllables. We need to do something about human dignity here.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
11. spell
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jan 2018

spell = prayers with props. The churches take offense to pagans not using God in their spiritual beliefs. No word yet on how the churches feel about the NFL working on the Sabbath, touching pigskin. Guess they get a free pass.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
9. Many Pagans don't even engage in ridiculous rituals.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:51 AM
Jan 2018

Even if they do, it is OK as long as no one is harmed physically or mentally.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
10. And I don't mind any rituals they might hold.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jan 2018

I have no brief against people who engage in religious activities, as long as they don't harm or interfere with the rights of others. It's of no interest to me, really, what rituals they do or do not take part in.

The problem comes up when one group's rituals or activities does interfere with or harm others. And that seems to happen with annoying frequency.

I have no religious beliefs. I don't care what beliefs others have, again with that disclaimer.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
12. Compare with Mormon 'baptism of the dead'.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:51 PM
Jan 2018

Both seem silly to me, but I suspect that many will have diverging views of the acceptability of the practice.

Some of the divergence might be due to special antipathy against or bias towards Trump, Jews, etc. So a "binding spell" on Trump can only be good because we don't like Trump, but how dare somebody claim to baptize a long-dead Jew after everything Jews have been throw?

Some might be due to special antipathy against or bias towards Mormons or "pagans".

Some might be due to uncertainty about how we'd be judged if we condemned or failed to condemn a certain practice. Peer pressure and all that.

But I'm guessing it's impossible to tease those three factors apart. They're all internal, they're all dependent on self-reflection, introspection, and self-honesty, and those three things tend to be in short supply.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
13. It's all beyond my ability to believe, so it doesn't really matter to me.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jan 2018

Religious beliefs and rituals are not based on reality. Therefore, they do not warrant spending any of my time in serious consideration of them.

Even so, I have spent such time, but in cataloging such things in my mind for reference purposes.

It's all silliness, as far as I can determine.

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