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edhopper

(33,604 posts)
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:46 AM Feb 2018

Did Christianity improve people's lives?

From the first to around the 5th Century, Christianity slowly became the preeminent religion in Europe.
But what changed for the common people ruled by Christians rather than Pagans?
The Kings still had close to absolute power over their lives. Slavery still existed, in some ways worse than before.
And the Church itself embarked on episodes of cruelty and torture on anyone they chose to.
Was Christianity en total a plus for the lives of common person?

The Enlightenment IMHO did not come from Christian though, but those who questioned it.

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Did Christianity improve people's lives? (Original Post) edhopper Feb 2018 OP
Depends who you ask Cartoonist Feb 2018 #1
+1 TalenaGor Feb 2018 #3
Christianity only improved the lives of the upper echelons of the administration dhol82 Feb 2018 #2
There are an awful lot of victims in Christianity's history PJMcK Feb 2018 #4
I would argue that Christianity slowed down progress. MineralMan Feb 2018 #5
The Saxons vote no!! malchickiwick Feb 2018 #6
As Salvador Dali said, MineralMan Feb 2018 #7
Problem is the collateral damage.to non-combatants marylandblue Feb 2018 #12
Yes, as always. MineralMan Feb 2018 #13
Look how the 30-Years War plots out... NeoGreen Feb 2018 #9
I believe it clarified the line of succession for rulers IphengeniaBlumgarten Feb 2018 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author marylandblue Feb 2018 #14
Many colleges, hospitals, orphanages highmindedhavi Feb 2018 #10
Have you heard of education in Athens edhopper Feb 2018 #11
I would say yes marylandblue Feb 2018 #15
Though the Church also edhopper Feb 2018 #16
Yes. It also made some peoples' lives worse. eom guillaumeb Feb 2018 #17
Have you visited the Vatican? MineralMan Feb 2018 #18

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
2. Christianity only improved the lives of the upper echelons of the administration
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:51 AM
Feb 2018

Bishops, cardinals and the pope got to live large. The common people, not so much.

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
4. There are an awful lot of victims in Christianity's history
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:55 AM
Feb 2018

From the Muslims killed during the Crusades to the persecuted victims of the Inquisition to the children sexually abused by the clergy, there's a broad swath of humans who probably aren't to fond of their Christian tormentors.

I left long ago. The hypocrisy, politics and fantasy-thinking were too much for me.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
5. I would argue that Christianity slowed down progress.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:57 AM
Feb 2018

The promise of an eternal reward was often held out as an answer to a life lived in poverty and oppression. The concept seemed to be: "Life sucks, we understand, but believe this stuff and you'll get your due reward for eternity. Don't believe, though, and trust us, your life will be even more miserable."

People will believe almost anything, it seems.



malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
6. The Saxons vote no!!
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:01 AM
Feb 2018

Charlemagne gave them the choice: convert or die. That was in the ninth century, BTW.

Also, you make it sound as if Christianity were just a single thing. Europe's bloodiest wars between 1517 and the mid 1600s were Christians killing other Christians over what it meant to be a true Christian.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
7. As Salvador Dali said,
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:21 AM
Feb 2018

"Let my enemies devour each other."

As I say,

"Internecine religious warfare most benefits the non-religious, and should not be discouraged."

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
13. Yes, as always.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:10 PM
Feb 2018

First, do no harm. The battles between religious denominations, though, is more of a philosophical war than a physical one. That's what I mean.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
9. Look how the 30-Years War plots out...
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:26 AM
Feb 2018

...in history in absolute deaths and deaths relative to population:



Pretty substantial bloodshed.

8. I believe it clarified the line of succession for rulers
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:22 AM
Feb 2018

It defined marriage and restricted divorce. This limited the number of sons who could war among themselves for the kingship when their father died. Fewer wars would have benefitted everyone.

Response to IphengeniaBlumgarten (Reply #8)

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
11. Have you heard of education in Athens
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:05 PM
Feb 2018

or the Library at Alexandria.

We are talking about Christianity vs what it replaced.

And you are talking about relatively recent institutions.
What about the first millennium Christianity dominated?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
15. I would say yes
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:47 PM
Feb 2018

The Roman Empire was falling apart anyway. A lot of civilization, social structure, and knowledge fell with it, but much of what was remained was preserved by the church. For example, when the empire was no longer able to defend a city, bishops organized local defenses.

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
16. Though the Church also
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:14 PM
Feb 2018

destroyed a lot of the knowledge from the Romans and Greeks.

The Islamic world is who really preserved that.

Though I get your point. Without the Church, we don't know what would fill the vacuum.

On the other hand, was the "loving" Christian Church any better to the people than what came before?

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