Religion
Related: About this forumI believe I should love my neighbor. This seems so obviously true to me
that, despite having no rational evidence for it, I think I will not abandon the opinion
In fact, it seems so important to me that I am willing to abandon various other notions, that I feel are supported by some rational evidence, when those notions suggest to me that I should not love my neighbor
If you want a better explanation of why I hold this view, I could tell you I consider it a religious duty
If you then want to tell me I am a fool for holding religious views, that will not dissuade me from my view: in fact, I finally became "religious" simply because I became convinced that I should consider loving my neighbor to be important beyond almost everything else
If you ask me how I decide whether a religion is "true" or not, I do not need to engage in fancy dissections: I need only study whether the religion teaches us to love our neighbors
It is easy to say and often difficult to do. There are many things I do not need for it: knowledge of the origin of the cosmos or mathematical logic, for example. Many things, that I do not need for it, do interest me; and some things, that I do not need for it, can be put to very good use in exercising it.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)There's nothing wrong with kindness no matter where the inspiration for it comes from.
thbobby
(1,474 posts)the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others:
"some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"
Religion does teach altruism. The most altruistic creatures on earth are ants. They will mindlessly give their lives to save the colony which is for the good of all ants. Altruism is natural for life. I respect and admire your view of religion. I am an atheist, but that does not mean I love my neighbors more or less than you love yours.
safeinOhio
(32,675 posts)I will support all ideas that are contrary to the teaching of Ayan Rand.
Doodley
(9,088 posts)Is it the people who live in the house next to yours? Or is it people in your community, or in other nations who may be in need of support? How do you define "love?" Is it to be nice, but helpful when it is convenient? Is it to merely have the best well wishes? Or is it to give of ourselves, to share our worldly goods and our time, even when it is inconvenient to ourselves? Which one of these can you say is "true" in your case?
safeinOhio
(32,675 posts)Treat others as you wish to be treated.
Doodley
(9,088 posts)But if I was without anything and my family were sick and without food or shelter, I would wish for more than "treat others as you wish to be treated" or "love your neighbor." We live as rich men with our cars and computers and heated, air-conditioned homes. Most of us in the West live better than kings of 2000 years ago, and yet there are desperate people in our own cities and abroad. What does "love your neighbor" actually mean? And does "treat others as you wish to be treated" simply mean by polite and respectful, but do not sacrifice?
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)of his wallet and brand-new suit, they beat him up and drove off in his car, leaving him unconscious on the shoulder of the highway.Now it just so happened that a white preacher was going down that same highway. When he saw the fellow, he stepped on the gas and went scooting by. Shortly afterwards a white Gospel song leader came down the road, and when he saw what had happened, he too stepped on the gas. Then, a black man traveling that way came upon the fellow, and what he saw moved him to tears. He stopped and bound up his wounds as best he could, drew some water from his water-jug to wipe away the blood and then laid him on the back seat. He drove on into Albany and took him to the hospital and said to the nurse, You all take good care of this white man I found on the Highway. Heres the only two dollars I got, but you all keep account of what he owes, and if he cant pay it, Ill settle up with you when I make a pay-day." Now if you had been the man held up by the gangsters, which of these three the white preacher, the white song leader, or the black man would you consider to have been your neighbor?
http://www.westminster.edu/staff/nak/courses/CottonLk10.htm
MineralMan
(146,296 posts)It is pretty much universal in all cultures.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Reciprocity, of course, is fine when it occurs, but I believe love of neighbor should go beyond mere repayment of kindness
MineralMan
(146,296 posts)One simply behaves in a way one wishes others would behave. It is simply right action. The actions of others do not or should not influence one's own actions.
Reciprocity is being polite, even when others are rude. It is being honest when others are not. It is modeling right behavior regardless of the behavior of others.
newcriminal
(2,190 posts)MineralMan
(146,296 posts)That is a fundamental ethical principle in every religion of which I am aware, and of most secular cultures and societies.
Really, it is the most fundamental rule. One way or another, all ethical rules derive from it. Think about it for awhile. Even Jesus is supposed to have called it one of The Greatest Commandments.
Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version (NIV)
36 Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?
37 Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
newcriminal
(2,190 posts)If it is dependent on something in return, it is not "simply right", it is conditional. By that formulation, if reciprocity is absent it is something other than right. Your surprising reliance on scripture to support your point does not buttress your argument.
MineralMan
(146,296 posts)Right Action is part of the Buddhist eightfold path. It is also part of the ethical compass of many religions and cultures.
newcriminal
(2,190 posts)Do you have a nonreligious basis?
MineralMan
(146,296 posts)I provided a link. The principle of Reciprocity is expressed in many ways. Some are religious in nature and some are not. It is a principle that is held by most cultures and philosophies. It comes close to being a universal principle, whether it is actually practiced or not. You claim to be a religious person, so I linked to religious sources to make it easier for you to understand.
I used the term "Right Action" because it is widely recognized by people who are interested in the world's religions.
Right Action is based on the principle of Reciprocity. It does not concern what others do, but only on what the individual who wished to do Right Actions does.
Secular Humanism also includes the principle of Reciprocity. It is not just a religious principle. It is a logical principle that any thinking person recognizes at once as valid, if sometimes difficult to follow. Very few people are faithful followers of that principle.
If everyone followed it, the world would be at peace. Clearly, the world is not at peace.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)provided you tell us what you mean when you use it, but I note that your use is not the one commonly used in philosophical discussions of ethics:
Reciprocity
To reciprocate is to return good in proportion to the good one has received, or to retaliate proportionately for harms. The central, contested philosophical issues surrounding reciprocity are whether reciprocity is a fundamental moral principle or a subsidiary one; how we are to measure fittingness and proportionality; and whether the norm of reciprocity requires that we reciprocate for all the goods we receive, or only for the ones we invite ...
A theory of reciprocity
http://martinstrobel.net/Jena/literature/Falk-Fischbacher_GEB-2006_A-theory-of-reciprocity.pdf
People are reciprocal if they reward kind actions and punish unkind ones. In this paper we present a formal theory of reciprocity. It takes into account that people evaluate the kindness of an action not only by its consequences but also by its underlying intention ...
MineralMan
(146,296 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)poisons your dog and burns down your house?
Still full of love?
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)towards my neighbor: in fact, I actually think I am allowed to regard a neighbor, such as you describe, as objectively being my enemy
What I mean by "love" here is something other than sentimentalism: it precludes hatred but requires something more than simply avoiding hatred; it is not a "natural" emotional response but rather imagines how I should respond in the world in which I wish I lived
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and burying your point in cushy emotional words is a low tactic.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)but it usually evaporates once they realize what ornery SOBs their neighbors really are; and at that point the project of loving one's neighbor can be salvaged only by recognizing that the world's ornery SOBs typically include one's own self
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)While throwing in a personal attack.
Your logic remains faulty.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Do you take all disagreement as a personal attack? If so, that explains much.
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)I must have missed that post.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)And if you disagree you're the reason people don't like their neighbors.
sandensea
(21,633 posts)And advocate for him those same rights one would expect for oneself.
Why our Republican friends feel anything less would work (and do they ever!), is beyond me.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It is easy to say, and difficult to do.