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Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:39 PM

Why Me? Finding the Bright Side of a Dark Situation

From the article:

What if we always realized the importance of experiencing hardships and making mistakes, instead of gaining that insight only after some time has passed? What if we allow ourselves to go through a difficult period of our lives while keeping in mind that someday, we might be grateful that it happened?.....

This is where tawakkul (faith and trust in God) comes in.




Read more at:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mostlymuslim/2018/04/bright-side-dark-situation-hardship/#xzzu37U8C5Y7bSI2.99


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Reply Why Me? Finding the Bright Side of a Dark Situation (Original post)
guillaumeb Apr 2018 OP
Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #1
MineralMan Apr 2018 #3
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #9
Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #13
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #16
Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #17
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22
Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #25
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #26
Mariana Apr 2018 #14
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #23
trotsky Apr 2018 #35
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #37
trotsky Apr 2018 #39
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #41
trotsky Apr 2018 #42
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #44
Mariana Apr 2018 #45
Major Nikon Apr 2018 #19
MineralMan Apr 2018 #2
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #10
Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #4
trotsky Apr 2018 #6
MineralMan Apr 2018 #7
Mariana Apr 2018 #18
Major Nikon Apr 2018 #20
Mariana Apr 2018 #34
Major Nikon Apr 2018 #36
trotsky Apr 2018 #5
thucythucy Apr 2018 #8
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #11
trotsky Apr 2018 #12
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #15
Major Nikon Apr 2018 #21
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #24
Major Nikon Apr 2018 #27
trotsky Apr 2018 #28
edhopper Apr 2018 #29
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #30
edhopper Apr 2018 #31
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #32
edhopper Apr 2018 #33
uriel1972 Apr 2018 #38
guillaumeb Apr 2018 #40
uriel1972 Apr 2018 #43

Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:52 PM

1. Your god is not what you think he/she is

your god is made of good and evil

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:57 PM

3. Yes, and is recorded as saying it created both good and evil.

Isaiah 45: 7 King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


That's what one can find in the Bible and, if one believes such things, explains those dark times as well as the good ones.

Or, one can always say, "Stuff happens," and keep moving forward.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:04 PM

9. So you know the Creator?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:27 PM

13. Do you have proof or belief??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:38 PM

16. You made a declarative statement.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:52 PM

17. I made no statement............I asked a question

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:38 PM

22. You did in #1

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our god is not what you think he/she is

your god is made of good and evil


Thus my response.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:49 PM

25. Then why did you not reply to my first one when you had the chance??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:50 PM

26. I did, at 2:04 CST.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:25 PM

14. You frequently describe The Creator to us, so you must know it, Gil.

Are you bothered that it has other friends?

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Response to Mariana (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:44 PM

23. I give my opinion.

As I generally indicate in the posts.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:37 PM

35. No, it's not just your opinion.

You make declarative statements about your creator's nature and function.

You *know* its ways are "mysterious," because you said so.

You do understand how foolish you make yourself look by directly contradicting yourself all the time, right?

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Response to trotsky (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:39 PM

37. Back to your regular insults again?

Revealing.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:38 AM

39. If pointing out that you are making yourself look foolish is an insult, then so be it.

You go right on being the awesome Christian you are, gil.

And nothing will change.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 11:19 AM

41. Followed by another insult.

Speaking of change and all.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 11:53 AM

42. Keep it up, and I'll keep pointing out your hypocrisy.

I have absolutely no problem doing so.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:41 PM

44. Yes, we know your technique.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

45. We? You mean you and your groupies? nt.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:10 PM

19. Ive always wanted to meet George Lucas

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:54 PM

2. We have lived in the past, we live today, and will live in the future.

That's how it works. No faith is required to deal with hardships in the present moments. One need only reflect on the past, when hardships weren't present, and look to the future, when current hardships will be in the past.

Of course, at some point, we will no longer have a future to look toward, but as long as we are alive, we have the present and the past.

Different people draw on different resources when situations seem dark. Some draw on religious faith. Others draw on their life experiences. Somehow, we usually manage to get through dark times. Perspective can be applied to any situation, since we all have histories on which to draw, or some other means of putting difficult times into perspective.

Religion works for some. Other things work for others.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:04 PM

10. True.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:07 PM

4. Take a walk through a pediatric cancer ward...

...and try to tell yourself all these kids are dying slow, horrible, painful deaths well before their times just so God can teach their parents' some kind of vacuous, fortune-cookie-league lesson in humility.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:42 PM

6. I'm sure they'll thank god later for the experience. n/t

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:48 PM

7. Indeed. A couple who are friends of my wife and I

saw their 3 year old daughter suffer and die from a particularly deadly type of kidney cancer. We tried to support them, but obviously could not fully understand their grief. We told an acquaintance of ours about the child and her parents. He said, and I quote, "What could a three-year-old have done to deserve that?" A devout Catholic, he assigned the cause of the disease to the victim of it. We did not misunderstand him or misread his statement. We called him on it at the time and he defended it, saying, "God would not do that to a child if there weren't a reason."

We never spoke to that man again. His delusion was informed by his faith.

Yet another reason to reject such faith.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:57 PM

18. There is Biblical support for that kind of rationalization.

I once heard an interpretation that proposed to explain why God didn't step in to save Jephthah's daughter from being murdered by her father the way he saved Isaac from Abraham. God let Jephthah go through with killing his only child to punish Jephthah for making a reckless vow, and to teach him and the rest of the Israelites to think before they speak.

There is also the story of God sickening and killing David's son with Bathsheba, as punishment for David's sins. The fact that neither the child nor Bathsheba were guilty didn't really factor into the decision to strike down the child in order to teach the father a lesson about selfishness.

There are other stories, too. God has a history.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:22 PM

20. They were guilty of adultery. So god killed the baby.

He also killed 42 children in one sitting. The moral of those stories is donít screw around on your wife (unless itís with another one of your wives or a prostitute), and donít make fun of Elishaís bald head. Then again he could also do so for no good reason such as when he smoote Ezekiel's wife. Probably hadnít had is morning cup of coffee yet.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:31 PM

34. God killed the baby slowly and made it suffer.

He was really mad at David.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:13 PM

36. Kinda funny how he no longer has anger issues

I guess being a dad/son changes you.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:40 PM

5. This writer speaks for no one but themselves.

So this:

No matter what you are going through, inshaAllah (God-willing), you will come out stronger than before. You can make it through this trial. And perhaps Allah has given this hardship to you out of love, so you will call out to Him and gain closeness to Him.


...is not appreciated.

*I* do not find this idea comforting or helpful. The idea that a kind, loving entity would *intentionally* cause you pain and struggle solely to get closer to it, is repulsive to me.

If you meant to only post this for people who agree, perhaps it should have gone to the Interfaith group, or the Muslim group. But here, there are many people with different views and this religious opinion is not true for them.

Now go ahead and chide everyone who didn't fawn over this post, make references to your inane "11th Commandment" bullshit, do whatever it is you feel you need to do in order to show us how tolerant and wonderful religion is.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:54 PM

8. I agree.

I find the whole "suffering is good for you it gives you wisdom" line of BS offensive and patronizing.

If it works for some people, and helps them through their own suffering, well, good for them. But inflicting it on others as some kind of divine truth just turns me off completely.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:05 PM

11. If you do not, find your own way of dealing.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:26 PM

12. So yeah you're OK with someone defining religion for others if you agree with the definition.

Of course this is not surprising to anyone here, since you insist on defining atheism for atheists.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:34 PM

15. I am fine with people defining religion for themselves.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:31 PM

21. Unless they are an atheist

Henceforth I have changed my denomination to unaffiliated apatheist.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:45 PM

24. The Trinitarian branch or the Unitarian branch?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:27 PM

27. Major Nikonian branch

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:30 AM

28. And others, when it suits you. n/t

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:42 AM

29. A way for the Church

to keep the millions of wretched people in their congregations servile for a few thousand years.

You suffer, and we don't do anything to change that, cause God's will and all.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:06 PM

30. Your view. Obviously not a universal one.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:39 PM

31. Yes my opinion

is what you posted not just the writer's view?

But I would say the Church keeping the people in there place is not an original concept from me.

A few others through the centuries have noticed it.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 12:54 PM

32. I post what I find interesting.

And recommend what I find interesting.

What I identify as my own opinion is just that.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:06 PM

33. True

I should have said "just the writer's view".

I will amend that.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:08 PM

38. Is it wrong to say...

"Go take an airbourne copulation with a deep fried pastry"?

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 11:08 AM

40. What type of pastry?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 12:05 PM

43. Donut... obviously

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