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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 01:36 PM Oct 2018

Thousands of Canada's indigenous children died in church-run boarding schools.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/thousands-of-canadas-indigenous-children-died-in-church-run-boarding-schools-where-are-they-buried/2018/10/19/afd35060-cb25-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_story.html?utm_term=.c1f09e6d2dfb

Where are they buried?


TORONTO — Armed with everything from school attendance records to drones, researchers across Canada are racing to shed light on a bleak part of the country’s history: How many indigenous children died at residential schools, and where are their unmarked graves?

From 1883 to 1998, nearly 150,000 indigenous children were forcibly separated from their families and sent to the government-funded, church-run boarding schools in an attempt to assimilate them. Once there, they were frequently neglected and abused. What happened at the schools was akin to “cultural genocide,” concluded a 2015 report from Canada’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

It also found that at least 3,200 students died at residential schools over those 115 years — a much higher rate than for students elsewhere in Canada — though the commission contended that the number was probably much higher and merited further investigation.

The religious organizations that operated the schools — the Anglican Church of Canada, Presbyterian Church in Canada, United Church of Canada, Jesuits of English Canada and some Catholic groups — in 2015 expressed regret for the “well-documented” abuses. The Catholic Church has never offered an official apology, something that Trudeau and others have repeatedly called for.


Edit to add: The treatment of indigenous peoples everywhere has been disgustingly horrendous. When the church (whatever church) participates in that kind of treatment, it reveals its own true colors, I believe. The same has happened in so many places that there is no way to see it as anything but a deliberate flouting of its own teachings. For shame!
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Thousands of Canada's indigenous children died in church-run boarding schools. (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2018 OP
And many children of the First Peoples guillaumeb Oct 2018 #1
Yes. What about that whataboutism? MineralMan Oct 2018 #2
Stand by while gil accuses you of whataboutism Major Nikon Oct 2018 #3
See below. MineralMan Oct 2018 #6
It is also a logical error when it is constantly used by the choir. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #4
Answer my question, and I'll answer yours. MineralMan Oct 2018 #8
We both know what the only consistent answer can be. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #9
That is not an answer. MineralMan Oct 2018 #11
I have faith in your ability. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #13
Why do you use whataboutism like this? marylandblue Oct 2018 #10
I will admit to being tempted, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #12
You are beyond temptation, you are addicted marylandblue Oct 2018 #14
Ego sum reus, reus summus. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #15
I forgot most of my Latin marylandblue Oct 2018 #16
I am guilty. We are guilty. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #17
Why "we?" Take responsibility for your own actions without reference to others. marylandblue Oct 2018 #18
As can we all. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #19
No, you do not get it. And that is sad. marylandblue Oct 2018 #20
And I thought the same. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #21
Yes that is because you don't take responsibility for your own behavior marylandblue Oct 2018 #22
Is anyone blameless? guillaumeb Oct 2018 #23
If no-one is blameless, why do you need to point this out so much? marylandblue Oct 2018 #24
Wait until they start excavating the bodies like they're doing in Ireland. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #5
Yes, but in Canada, it's a bunch of MineralMan Oct 2018 #7

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. And many children of the First Peoples
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 02:33 PM
Oct 2018

were prohibited from speaking their first language in schools.

Including my father's mother and her relatives.

Amazing how nationalism can be so perverted from the expressed ideals of a people.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. Yes. What about that whataboutism?
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 03:30 PM
Oct 2018

My post was about children who DIED in Canadian church-run boarding schools. You presented a different wrong for some reason, as a diversion. Being forced to learn a new language is not dying. Plus, you didn't mention who ran the schools that forced that language learning.

I didn't mention the Roman Catholic Church sponsoring genocide in the Americas, because that didn't have anything to do with children dying in church-run schools in Canada. That's a different issue.

So, what do you think of those church-run schools neglecting those children until many died? Was that in keeping with Christian teachings? If not, why did it happen? Stick to the subject, please.

Start a new thread if you have a new topic. Whataboutism is a logical error.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
3. Stand by while gil accuses you of whataboutism
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 05:37 PM
Oct 2018

...for pointing out his post was the epitome of whataboutism.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. I will admit to being tempted,
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 07:57 PM
Oct 2018

and falling into temptation.

Ego sum reus, reus summus.

Or in the context of church,

mea culpa.


marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
14. You are beyond temptation, you are addicted
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 08:00 PM
Oct 2018

Stop now. Pray for help and make amends. Not just a mea culpa. Not a one and done.


It will keep eating your soul if you let it. Don't do it anymore.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
18. Why "we?" Take responsibility for your own actions without reference to others.
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 08:15 PM
Oct 2018

You choose to act a certain way. You can choose not to.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
20. No, you do not get it. And that is sad.
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 08:23 PM
Oct 2018

I thought for a moment you might understand. Maybe you will someday.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
22. Yes that is because you don't take responsibility for your own behavior
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:27 PM
Oct 2018

Unless you have someone to share the blame with you.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
24. If no-one is blameless, why do you need to point this out so much?
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:42 PM
Oct 2018

It's not like anyone here claimed to be blameless.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
5. Wait until they start excavating the bodies like they're doing in Ireland.
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 06:27 PM
Oct 2018
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1023/1006153-tuam-mother-and-baby-home/

And the church is feeling so pressured about Tuam that they're even kicking a couple of million in for the excavation of their victims.
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