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Religious vandals are at it again, 'In God We Trust' to be required on display in SD schools. (Original Post) AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 OP
I'd say let the courts handle it, but trev Jul 2019 #1
Guess maybe my husband and I will be spending our vacation money on travel channels. Tech Jul 2019 #2
Good for you! BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #15
I just wonder how they'd feel if it were "In God and/or Allah we trust." dawg day Jul 2019 #3
Now I wish some people would paint other names over "God". BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #16
Watch for a couple of Law suits to emerge. Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #4
If there are lawsuits, they won't get anywhere Major Nikon Jul 2019 #6
Federal Tax Dollors are at play here. Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #8
There's nothing official about the pledge Major Nikon Jul 2019 #9
Your last sentence tells Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #10
'E Pluribus Unum' was a stroke of aspriational genius, that is not often to be found today. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #11
Dunno. Igel Jul 2019 #5
It's nice to enjoy religious privilege, isn't it? trotsky Jul 2019 #12
Kentucky too... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #7
A KY School District Found a Brilliant Loophole for the "In God We Trust" Law muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #13
The relevant laws? Bretton Garcia Aug 2019 #14

Tech

(1,771 posts)
2. Guess maybe my husband and I will be spending our vacation money on travel channels.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 04:24 PM
Jul 2019

Too many states are fundamentally against what I stand for.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
3. I just wonder how they'd feel if it were "In God and/or Allah we trust."
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 04:31 PM
Jul 2019

Then we'd find out it's not about 'religious freedom'.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
16. Now I wish some people would paint other names over "God".
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:27 AM
Aug 2019

With all the cameras everywhere they would get caught easily, though. Too bad, it is a good idea and appropriate..

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Watch for a couple of Law suits to emerge.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 04:59 PM
Jul 2019

This whole POS was started by the Apostolic Movement,which the Governor is a member as well as several State legislators,in a nut job effort to keep certain ethnic groups out of their Schools.

Highway 81 thru South Dakota as well as Highway 14 are lined with Meat and cheese possessing plants requiring massive amounts of labor which the Locals cannot produce or are willing to do.

So,you can imagine the ethnic group that they do not want to corrupt their Children. Have a interest in that State,but,it will sit idle for the forseeable future.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
6. If there are lawsuits, they won't get anywhere
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 08:19 AM
Jul 2019

“In God We Trust” was made the national motto during the height of the Red Scare because the idea was it would keep us safe from godless communism. Ironically it means the opposite of the previous motto “E Pluribus Unum” and underscores a time when the US was overwhelmed with irrational fear and xenophobia.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Federal Tax Dollors are at play here.
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jul 2019

Believe it was a landmark case in the sixties that made the In god thing removed. I grew up in Wisconsin,and I know our County School Board refused to even go there. Still remember Ike kissing Tail Gunner Joe and Nixon's behind with that under God thingee in the Pledge.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. There's nothing official about the pledge
Sat Jul 27, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jul 2019

Ironically it was written by an avowed socialist with the “under god” phrase added later. Loyalty oaths are moronic to begin with unless your goal is a nation full of sheep. Hitler liked them.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. 'E Pluribus Unum' was a stroke of aspriational genius, that is not often to be found today.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jul 2019

From a time when things weren't great, but our ideals were at least worth a shot...

Igel

(35,300 posts)
5. Dunno.
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:42 PM
Jul 2019

I think it'll have no effect.

Except perhaps litigation, with both sides being rewarded by the feeling of self-righteousness or grievance-nurturing. No downside.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. It's nice to enjoy religious privilege, isn't it?
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 11:38 AM
Jul 2019

When you can feel like the state promoting your religion really isn't a big deal.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,314 posts)
13. A KY School District Found a Brilliant Loophole for the "In God We Trust" Law
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:02 PM
Aug 2019
One interesting thing about that wording is that, unlike some states, there’s no requirement that the display be a certain size. As long as students can theoretically see the words, schools are following the letter of the law.
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That’s why you have to applaud what they did in the Fayette County Public Schools (in Lexington).

Instead of, say, painting the Christian phrase in gigantic letters in some hallway, the board sent each school a framed copy of… the back of a one dollar bill.

Hey, it includes the phrase.

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/08/14/a-ky-school-district-found-a-brilliant-loophole-for-the-in-god-we-trust-law/

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
14. The relevant laws?
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:22 PM
Aug 2019

My impression is that SCOTUS wanted to 1) constitutionally avoid an official state religion. But 2) not all religion, outside government.

When 3) government things had religion in them? The court suggested that our founders etc.might have allowed that a vague "ceremonial deism" could be found in the government from the days of the founders. And it allowed similar old stuff 4) in old government monuments.

So the court allowed things like the money motto. on grounds that it was vague, deistic, about who God was. And it allowed existing other things as vague AND old; bits of history. So the gov didn't have to change all our money. Or chip religious phrases out of major national monuments.

See "lemon test"?

One of Trump's lawyers - Jay Sekulow (sp?) -worked on some of these cases. And abortion law? And won some for religion, in the Supreme Court.

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