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Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:41 AM

The Renouncing of Pomps



They didn't caption the second circular panel. He is kissing the priest's robes. This establishes who is master.

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Reply The Renouncing of Pomps (Original post)
Cartoonist Feb 2020 OP
MineralMan Feb 2020 #1
Karadeniz Feb 2020 #2
guillaumeb Feb 2020 #3
Cartoonist Feb 2020 #4
guillaumeb Feb 2020 #5
trotsky Feb 2020 #7
Cartoonist Feb 2020 #8
guillaumeb Feb 2020 #10
trotsky Feb 2020 #11
trotsky Feb 2020 #6
guillaumeb Feb 2020 #9
trotsky Feb 2020 #12

Response to Cartoonist (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:54 PM

1. Pomps and Circumcisions

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Response to Cartoonist (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:04 AM

2. Interesting...harks back to the original purpose of baptism, the renouncing of Mammon

And dedicating one's life to doing good. Not a word about accepting Jesus as one's savior. This is a good ritual and I'm not fond of rituals.

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Response to Cartoonist (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:46 PM

3. Submission to the will of the Creator?

But that submission must be freely given, so it is not a master/slave relationship.

A slave cannot refuse a master.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 01:57 PM

4. I was going to say dominatrix

But went with master.

Back when I was a believer, I thought it was a sin to say no to a priest. I had a nun whose favorite saying was, "Don't contradict me even if I'm wrong."

Get the picture? This is why pedophilia is so rampant in the church. Kids are conditioned to think of religious officials as actual agents of God.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 04:11 PM

5. I understand your point.

And yes, unquestioned obedience is, unfortunately, part of many institutions.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:21 AM

7. #whataboutism n/t

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Response to trotsky (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 01:52 PM

8. I didn't respond to that post

But he clearly missed my point. A priest has more authority than a school teacher or a scout master.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 03:20 PM

10. Refuse to do what a teacher wishes for you to do.

No, the situations are not identical, but authority can be used badly.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 03:48 PM

11. Not to mention, a priest's authority comes from the "ultimate" authority.

He will never, ever acknowledge the uniqueness of the RCC abuse dynamics though. Remember, for him, everything bad is just due to "human nature" and religion is never, ever a factor ANYTIME.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:21 AM

6. How "freely" can it be given at all...

when the threat of eternal punishment is issued?

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Response to trotsky (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 03:19 PM

9. As freely as any choice we make.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 03:49 PM

12. Bullshit. n/t

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