Call2Fall - what the real Christians are up to today.

[Warren Stupidity]

If you can find any explicit information about what Family Research Council is actually mobilizing for from their call2fall website. Good luck. It is clearly the standard dominionist bullshit, but as usual they are doing a fan dance around their agenda.

Some analysis here: http://www.goddiscussion.com/98007/a-spiritual-war-christians-across-america-participating-in-call2fall-today/

[patrice]

1. "real" Christians pray in service to those in need.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Funny, that is exactly what these people think they are doing.

They are saving us in our time of need.

[patrice]

3. Service = work. Perhaps someone needs to explain to them what work/LABOR is.

[patrice]

4. i.e. Work for those in need.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. But they are doing work.

They are working hard to return us as a nation to God's true path so that we may finds salvation.

[cbayer]

6. I want to know what this means:

Elections? Are they talking about real elections?

[Warren Stupidity]

7. no clue, my guess: yes.

Their website appears to be designed to not provide any information.

[RegieRocker]

8. These people are not real Christians.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. they think they are

[RegieRocker]

10. The Ego creates the illusion

that you are something which isn't true.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. If you have same objective mechanism for sorting "real christians" please let me know

what it is.

[RegieRocker]

15. That's easy

Liberal Christian....go figure

[Warren Stupidity]

18. That's ridiculous.

[RegieRocker]

20. Lol why is that?

Go on and explain your way out of this one.

[Goblinmonger]

23. You are seriously going to argue

that the only people that are really Christian are the ones that are liberal? You can't be conservative and be a Christian.

Well, at least you dived head first into the fallacy.

[RegieRocker]

25. The only fallacy here is yours,

all Christians mean you and others harm.

[Goblinmonger]

26. Please show me where I said that.

You are the one that said real Christians are liberal. I made no such limit on what it means to be Christian. There are good ones and bad ones. Just like any other group.

[RegieRocker]

27. Really now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/121817498

This says it all.#72

and this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=50425&mesg_id=50425

Not everything has to be said. There are good and bad people is what you're saying, not about whether they're good Christians. Whew...unbelievable. You really don't know the difference and I can't expect you to know. I guess I could rephrase it to liberal Christians are closer to being true Christians than conservative Christians. But hey, why on earth would it matter to you? Why are you defending conservative Christians? Those are the questions now.

[Warren Stupidity]

28. Well that was a waste of time.

Your links do not substantiate your claim.

"true Christians" - look if you think substituting "true" for "real" makes any difference, other than having you adhere more literally to the "no true scotsman" fallacy, you are mistaken.

Your determination of true or real Christians is entirely subjective and circular. Here is a clue: my use of "real Christians" in the op was unserious. It was sarcastic. It was evoking the ridiculous claims of fundaloons that they are the real Christians, a claim as equally ridiculous as yours, or as the many equally stupid claims of orthodoxy by the many sects within Christianity.

[Goblinmonger]

29. Wow

That first one isn't my OP. And my comments on there come NOWHERE close to showing your claim that I think "all Christians mean you and others harm." Nowhere close.

The second one doesn't either. I acknowledge several positives of religion in that thread if you actually read the whole thing.

You do know that there are many conservative Christians that will claim just as vehemently that the liberal Christians aren't the real Christians, right? That that is the basic problem with the bible being so open to interpretation. And, for the record, I know a lot of conservatives that are Christian that are wonderful people. Why are you painting all conservative Christians with such a broad brush?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

12. What criteria do you use to make that claim?

If they claim to be christian, and follow the teachings of Christ, aren't they, by definition, real christians?

[RegieRocker]

16. No where in the bible

was Jesus involved in changing the laws or making laws. Voting. Giving money to politicians etc. etc. It was "he who has not sinned cast the first stone". Do you really think these people are sinless? They are however casting stones. Boulders in most cases. Also do you really believe they are following the teachings of Christ? How would you know?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

17. That's your interpretation of the bible

Others have different interpretations. Under what authority are you granted the power, as a self-proclaimed "agnostic", to decide which interpretation is correct?

[RegieRocker]

21. Illogical

Words stating such are absent. Interpretation is a tool of evil. Words have meaning and they must be concrete. You're part of the problem. Perception and justification for ones actions are also evil. Jesus was not political. That is fact. Authority? Lol. What authority do you have to question whether I have authority or what type of I do have? Ego problem?

[trotsky]

22. I did not know you were fluent in Hebrew and Koine Greek.

Impressive.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

30. "Interpretation is a tool of evil"

What does that even mean? Religious texts are often ambiguous and there are as many interpretations of them as there are adherents. Is it YOUR place to tell them who is right and who is wrong? And if so, how did you earn such authority?

[Goblinmonger]

31. What authority do you have to question

whether I have the authority to question your authority. Super ego problem?

And I'm not even getting started yet.

And I pegged you as about two steps from postmodernist whackadoodle so the "words have meaning" kind of threw me.

[Leontius]

13. Meanwhile tens of millions of Christians in the US went about their lives

and worshiped in churches across the nation with no fanfare, incident or controversy.

[eqfan592]

24. ehhh, never mind.

not worth it.

[bongbong]

14. Modern day right-wing christian definition

"We are Christians because our bosses tell us we are the Holiest People in the world! Now do what they order me to order you to do or else I'll kill you!"

[Warren Stupidity]

19. Nothing modern about it.

Christianity has been a conservative reactionary authoritarian religion since the 300s.