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Related: About this forumCommercial for Jesus pissed me off.
From my previous post "Obituaries and Proselytization" about a Hindu man being trolled by Xtians, this is related.
I called my aunt when my mom died and she said "I urge you to believe" and got pretty obnoxious. I was not interested in Xtianity and told her so. I told her that when mom and dad and her mother (my grandmother) died they all believed there was nothing after death, and they were down with it (content), she was just horrified. She wanted them to die in fear of hell. Instead of being happy atheists.
She said "When you have a funeral I want to be there". I decided because of her speech to NOT have a funeral for mom.
And for Xtians who think only fundamentalists are that obnoxious, this woman (I hesitate to call her a lady) was a mainstream Methodist.
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dimbear
(6,271 posts)
The delusion is so strong that it overwhelms any feelings of politeness, mercy, or restraint.
Your aunt is perfectly sure she did just the right thing.
rug
(82,333 posts)I find that hard to believe.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)is, in fact, a fundamentalist, and not a mainstream Methodist (whatever that is).
Sad that you decided not to have a funeral based on this. Funerals, imo, are for the survivors, not really for the dead. But I can see that if their attitude were to make it even harder for you and not provide you with the comfort and solace you needed, why you would choose not to proceed.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Most members of "mainstream" Christian denominations do indeed believe in hell. You need to either acknowledge that, or face the consequences of declaring that roughly 2/3rds of Americans are "fundamentalists."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/11770/eternal-destinations-americans-believe-heaven-hell.aspx
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)though I totally understand why someone with strife in their family might find a funeral to be more stressful than comforting. My sister in law lost her brother a few months ago. His mother decided not to have a funeral because of family issues. They've decided to do a quiet memorial service this summer when the weather is good. That will suit their family quite well. And our instinct to gather together. They were not religious at all, so it makes sense for them in every sense to do it this way.
Funerals tend to provide comfort and closure, but when families are at odds, bringing everyone together can just be way more stress than it's worth.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Never heard of the United Methodist Church?
I think they are about as mainstream as it gets.
www.umc.org
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)
No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)individual - a person who wishes or feels the need to control others, rather than one acting out of religious conviction.
I'm not a Methodist, but from those I've known I've not heard that type of screeching re religion, death, salvation, etc.
rexcat
(3,622 posts)who is a "mainstream" Methodist and when he found out that I was an atheist he started quoting the bible and talking about salvation. Just because you have never heard of this type of behavior with mainstream religious people does not mean it does not happen.
By the way, after a short conversation with my CPA he stopped with the religious nonsense.
On edit: I have also had the same discussion with others who are members of moderate to liberal Christian sects.
No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)with your CPA.
I believe proselytizing has no place in business contacts, and, in general, I also believe politicking has no place in business.
I have, as I'm sure most on DU have, boycotted both local and national businesses where their outfront political beliefs and support were contrary to mine. If they keep it to themselves, I'll do business with them.
rexcat
(3,622 posts)I knew him before I started my business so the relationship was not just professional.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Looks like she's following the Articles of Faith for the United Methodist Church. This is taken from the www.umc.org website:
Article I—Of Faith in the Holy Trinity
There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body or parts, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the maker and preserver of all things, both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there are three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Article II—Of the Word, or Son of God, Who Was Made Very Man
The Son, who is the Word of the Father, the very and eternal God, of one substance with the Father, took man's nature in the womb of the blessed Virgin; so that two whole and perfect natures, that is to say, the Godhead and Manhood, were joined together in one person, never to be divided; whereof is one Christ, very God and very Man, who truly suffered, was crucified, dead, and buried, to reconcile his Father to us, and to be a sacrifice, not only for original guilt, but also for actual sins of men.
Article III—Of the Resurrection of Christ
Christ did truly rise again from the dead, and took again his body, with all things appertaining to the perfection of man's nature, wherewith he ascended into heaven, and there sitteth until he return to judge all men at the last day.
Article IV—Of the Holy Ghost
The Holy Ghost, proceeding from the Father and the Son, is of one substance, majesty, and glory with the Father and the Son, very and eternal God.
Article V—Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation
The Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation; so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an article of faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical books of the Old and New Testament of whose authority was never any doubt in the church. The names of the canonical books are:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, The First Book of Samuel, The Second Book of Samuel, The First Book of Kings, The Second Book of Kings, The First Book of Chronicles, The Second Book of Chronicles, The Book of Ezra, The Book of Nehemiah, The Book of Esther, The Book of Job, The Psalms, The Proverbs, Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, Cantica or Songs of Solomon, Four Prophets the Greater, Lamentations, Twelve Prophets the Less.
All the books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we do receive and account canonical.
Article VI—Of the Old Testament
The Old Testament is not contrary to the New; for both in the Old and New Testament everlasting life is offered to mankind by Christ, who is the only Mediator between God and man, being both God and Man. Wherefore they are not to be heard who feign that the old fathers did look only for transitory promises. Although the law given from God by Moses as touching ceremonies and rites doth not bind Christians, nor ought the civil precepts thereof of necessity be received in any commonwealth; yet notwithstanding, no Christian whatsoever is free from the obedience of the commandments which are called moral.
Article VII—Of Original or Birth Sin
Original sin standeth not in the following of Adam (as the Pelagians do vainly talk), but it is the corruption of the nature of every man, that naturally is engendered of the offspring of Adam, whereby man is very far gone from original righteousness, and of his own nature inclined to evil, and that continually.
Article VIII—Of Free Will
The condition of man after the fall of Adam is such that he cannot turn and prepare himself, by his own natural strength and works, to faith, and calling upon God; wherefore we have no power to do good works, pleasant and acceptable to God, without the grace of God by Christ preventing us, that we may have a good will, and working with us, when we have that good will.
Article V—Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation
The Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation; so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an article of faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical books of the Old and New Testament of whose authority was never any doubt in the church. The names of the canonical books are:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, The First Book of Samuel, The Second Book of Samuel, The First Book of Kings, The Second Book of Kings, The First Book of Chronicles, The Second Book of Chronicles, The Book of Ezra, The Book of Nehemiah, The Book of Esther, The Book of Job, The Psalms, The Proverbs, Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, Cantica or Songs of Solomon, Four Prophets the Greater, Lamentations, Twelve Prophets the Less.
All the books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we do receive and account canonical.
Article VI—Of the Old Testament
The Old Testament is not contrary to the New; for both in the Old and New Testament everlasting life is offered to mankind by Christ, who is the only Mediator between God and man, being both God and Man. Wherefore they are not to be heard who feign that the old fathers did look only for transitory promises. Although the law given from God by Moses as touching ceremonies and rites doth not bind Christians, nor ought the civil precepts thereof of necessity be received in any commonwealth; yet notwithstanding, no Christian whatsoever is free from the obedience of the commandments which are called moral.
Article VII—Of Original or Birth Sin
Original sin standeth not in the following of Adam (as the Pelagians do vainly talk), but it is the corruption of the nature of every man, that naturally is engendered of the offspring of Adam, whereby man is very far gone from original righteousness, and of his own nature inclined to evil, and that continually.
Article VIII—Of Free Will
The condition of man after the fall of Adam is such that he cannot turn and prepare himself, by his own natural strength and works, to faith, and calling upon God; wherefore we have no power to do good works, pleasant and acceptable to God, without the grace of God by Christ preventing us, that we may have a good will, and working with us, when we have that good will.
From The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2012. Copyright 2012 by The United Methodist Publishing House. Used by permission.
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edhopper
(33,579 posts)that some adhere more closely to religion and become less tolerant and more judgmental of other family members who don't.
I've seen this within my Jewish family. For example, people can choose to Sit Shiva, but should not become upset with others who do not want to follow that ritual.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)His mom had cancer and was estranged from her sisters for 20 years. They had become JWs. So one of the sisters called and wanted to know if they could come take care of her in her final illness.
Mom said, "Yes, but keep your GODDAMN religion to yourself." 
After the funeral a sister said, "I know you think she's in heaven, but she's not." Hubby said he shut her down and told her "Now is not the time to talk about that." He was in college.
This was in 1968.
