Isn't the timing of the Cardinals Conclave

[Tumbulu]

interesting astrologically?

The timing of the resignation was also interesting as discussed before. It does make me wonder if the intention was to make sure that they made their deliberations under these skies.

[NJCher]

1. urm...

what conditions? A little context would be nice.


Cher

[Myrina]

2. 5 planets in alignment.

Ricochet has a thread on it, somewhere ...

[Berlum]

3. Now we have a Retrograde Pope

[Manifestor_of_Light]

4. They need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 16th century.

Galileo, Bruno and those guys.

[magical thyme]

5. well the timing of the scandal plus resignation or abdication or whatever

what with the last Pope about to be outed as having been fully informed about the re-assignments of pedophile rapist priests, as well as involvement in scamming wealthy old widows out of their money...

That timing of the entire thing as been "exquisite" in terms of what Rick informed us was happening astrologically. As above, so below.

Other than that, what MOL said. Meet the new Pope, same as the old Pope.

[Tumbulu]

6. Well it makes me think that the Catholic church pays a lot of attention

to Astrology. Right when the moon joined all those other planets in Pisces, really something.

And the selection of this pope is unique in it's history and could lead the way to the change liberal Catholics have been longing for.

I find it fascinating, really.

And I like that he is NOT all pompous and has taken a vow of poverty. Totally unlike previous popes.

Sorry, I see this as something to be grateful for.

I have a lot of extended family who are practicing and devout Catholics and this means so much to them. I love and care about them and so feel quite happy to see them uplifted by this new pope.

[magical thyme]

7. I hope that you are right and that he will bring liberal change

although from what I've read on GD, he is another extreme conservative. Of course, maybe nobody would be liberal enough for GD...

Personally, I really doubt they follow astrology or used astrology to guide their timing or thinking. I think it was more the other way around...astrology is just a map to the energy. Imo, events happened when they did because the time was ripe for them to happen...

[Tumbulu]

8. There are hypocrite conservatives and honest conservatives

and from what I read he is an honest one. It appears that he is not going to allow himself to be pomped all up and be made into a prince and live in castles and all that stuff. I seriously doubt that he will continue attacking the US Nuns.

I heard about some big dinner that all the cardinals went to after the election and he was supposed to go in the popemobile, but it turns out he just took the bus like everyone else. I see these as very good signs.

If he concentrates on poverty and the cruelty of unbridled capitalism, this will be good enough for most of my liberal Catholic extended family. No one thinks he will change the position on the ordination of women as priests, but if he just focuses on income inequality and poverty this will make a difference.

I seriously think that the timing of the enclave was not an accident.

[magical thyme]

9. I'm less concerned about women being ordained as priests, than the treatment of women in general

by the Catholic Church. I'm sorry, but to me the Catholic Church represents the deliberate killing of that young Indian dentist by refusing to remove her nonviable and expiring fetus while she begged for them to save her life. The Bible is filled has numerous examples that imply or practically state outright that life begins at birth, with the first "breath of life." And the treatment of women in the Irish laundries. And the protection of pedophile and rapist priests.

There is a rumor that he has banished Cardinal Law, but it's not clear whether that was from a dinner or from more. Hopefully it is true and that it is the beginning of cleaning up an incredibly corrupt organization. Because that is how many outsiders view the Catholic Church. A mafia masked behind a cloak of fake spirituality.

In any event, his vows of poverty mean little until the Catholic Church stops conning elderly widows out of their money, sell their massive holdings, stop buying our political process and start spending their ill-gotten gains on the poor. They need to start walking the talk.

He also has said that the Church will not be involved in politics. That sounds good, but from what little I've read, he was heavily involved in politics in Argentina. Again, talk is cheap.

I don't think the timing was an accident either. I think their conscious thinking was to get a Pope in place in time for Easter. I think the last Pope's resignation was all about the pedophile priest scandal that was about to blow up big time with the release of previously hidden documents that proved he had knowledge of the pedophile priest protection ring.

But Rick has been warning us of upcoming Plutonian purges for months and months now. The scandals have been blowing up right and left around all the corruption in our financial and political system.

[Tumbulu]

11. I would encourage us to look at this person with an open mind

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We often project the past onto the future, which is what we humans do, but this leaves no space for change. It is a bad trap to stay immersed in.

The issues you bring up are not new to any of us.

But the way you bring them up reflects hurt - what I think we come to this group for is for enlightenment and understanding.

[magical thyme]

12. I sincerely hope you are right, Tumbulu, and that he does bring about the needed change

And one thing I've noticed in his photo is his aura is nothing like that of the previous pope.

But I don't have faith in large, powerful institutions. They have to show me, and not in little symbolic moves, but with real change.

I don't think they need me to allow them room to change. Just do it.

[Tumbulu]

16. Well, I actually think that we all effect each other

and I do think it matters that we give hope a chance.

At least in solidarity with those liberal Catholics who have endured such a miserable wrong wing dictatorship. The attacking of the US nuns has really hurt many sweet people. And the support of Bush over Kerry has not been forgotten either.......it is interesting that Kerry as Sec of State will be visiting the Vatican.....

I hope for their sake this pope does not disappoint them.

[magical thyme]

18. I hope that for all our sakes

Very interesting Annie Ortelee this week. I will post elsewhere...

[Why Syzygy]

10. You better believe

they pay attention to astrology. They own one of the most powerful telescopes in the world. They DESIGNED the calendar. They have been tracking the heavens since day one. Astronomy and astrology used to be one in the same. The timing of holidays (especially Easter) are based on heavenly signs. The HRC is full of symbols related to astrology.

http://vaticanobservatory.org/

However, according to Santos Bonacci, their astrologers really let them down on the timing for this conclave. Neither the Sun, Moon or Mars had any aspects at the time of the convening, and for many hours after. Bonacci said this indicates an impotent (Mars), emotionless (Moon), soulless (Sun) result. He said it would cost the Vatican dearly. He has also done charts for the formation of the Vatican (Mussolini signed papers), the day the Pope resigned, AND at the time of the lightening strike following the resignation.

There is also brewing a monetary scandal involving the prior Pope and the Vatican Bank. I can't swear that these lawsuits are having any visible or invisible effects, but it is certainly worth consideration.

http://itccs.org/
http://kevinannett.com/

[magical thyme]

13. I always understood that the timing of the holidays

was based on the pagan celebrations that they usurped. Christmas was base on the winter solstice, easter on the spring equinox, etc.

In any event, if they did use astrologers to choose the timing (and I still think it was a matter of needed a new Pope in time for Easter) then, as you wrote, their astrologers didn't choose a very good time.

[Tumbulu]

15. If this pope really is not pompous

and he really wants to reform this church, then this was the perfect time. And perhaps could have only happened at these moments.

My sister a liberal ex-nun was so excited about a number of stories circulating.

They brought him this ermine cape to wear and he told the guy giving it to him to wear it himself, no way was he going to wear such a thing. He won't wear the red shoes, he won't stand on the podiums. He is refusing to act like some big shot.

I thought that the holidays were all taken over from the Pagan holidays as well, which are based on the language of the skies. But Catholicism did that- replaced the gods and goddesses with saints. Keeping male and female holy figures. Kept the story of the virgin birth, etc. All from previous religions that became labeled as pagan. But actually absorbed. Many of the protestants are against all this sort of sloppy stuff. My sister tells me it is why it became such a big religion. It incorporates all sorts of local beliefs.

[magical thyme]

19. Yes, it is the perfect time

more reason to hope.

[magical thyme]

21. more good news, Tumbulu. The rumors of his political involvement have been soundly debunked

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022540321#post9

Apparently shoddy journalism by the Guardian insinuated that he helped the dictator there and aided and abetted the junta by turning over 2 young priests to them. Complete with a photo of a priest giving communion to the dictator, with the priest wrongly identified as him.

Now people directly involved have come forward with the truth: that the 2 young priests had asked to leave the order, that when they were taken by the junta he interceded and saved their lives. And that when a young man who resembled him was targeted by the junta, he gave him his ID papers and a priests collar, enabling him to safely escape to another country.

I'm surprised and disappointed in the Guardian; I thought they were better than that.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

17. true.

In order to replace indigenous religions, they had to have a god/goddess. Therefore veneration of Mary replaced goddess worship.

The all-male Trinity is totally unbalanced with no feminine energy.

Mariolatry is another reason why Protestants hate Catholics. But religion needs a male-female balance.

Why a deity needs sex organs at all is beyond me.

[Tumbulu]

20. Because we humans make them up

And we have them, and the powers of procreation are so stunning.

Religions are snapshots of a culture imo. They can help us expand beyond ourselves, or encourage negative tendencies. We can see plenty of evidence of both, all around us, all the time.

My mother, who was a devout liberal feminist Catholic used to say that yes religion was the opiate of the masses and she needed plenty of "this opium" to make it through her life.

I am quite solitary and religions do not sing to me, but they do to many others.