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Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:24 AM Apr 2013

The times remind me so much of the Sixties.

I was a kid, but what was on the news was The Vietnam War, the assassinations, riots, demonstrations, and all that stuff. It just seemed to be the way things were. I didn't know about the possibly calmer times before.

Now we've got horrible stuff happening constantly too, but of a slightly different sort.

It feels the same, except that the people who are raising hell are the people with guns who consider themselves patriots, not the left wingers.

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The times remind me so much of the Sixties. (Original Post) Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 OP
Actually, we had some hope then. We believed we could (and did) BlueToTheBone Apr 2013 #1
Yes, I agree, we had hope back then. LiberalEsto Apr 2013 #3
I know, we believed that that good could prevail BlueToTheBone Apr 2013 #5
Except in the sixties, there were plenty of jobs, tough employment laws, Cleita Apr 2013 #2
I was very young get the red out Apr 2013 #4
Only now we have big brother for real. southerncrone Apr 2013 #6
I remember it as a time of hope. LWolf Apr 2013 #7
We did not learn from our history ... mntleo2 Apr 2013 #8
add my 2 cents Ricochet21 May 2013 #9

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
1. Actually, we had some hope then. We believed we could (and did)
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:39 AM
Apr 2013

stop the war. But being activists instead of political ops, we went home when it was over and now the whole big monster has grown and threatens to swallow us whole.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
3. Yes, I agree, we had hope back then.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:29 AM
Apr 2013

We thought we could clean up the environment, stop the Vietnam War, and keep the US out of future useless wars.

We also expected that we could always find decent-paying jobs, stay in the middle class or rise up to it, and retire with a pension and Social Security to live on. Medical bills were affordable back then. We could afford to see a dentist, get our cars fixed, save up for something special like traveling overseas.

Gosh, were we ever delusional! What on earth were we smoking?

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
5. I know, we believed that that good could prevail
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 04:37 PM
Apr 2013

against evil. And obviously, what we were smoking didn't help us today!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. Except in the sixties, there were plenty of jobs, tough employment laws,
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

and minimum wage was a living wage. There also were very few homeless. In the sixties we had racial, gender and gay inequality in huge quantities, not to mention that war you mentioned that nobody supported. So we were out in the streets either protesting or tuning in, turning on and dropping out in Timothy O'Leary's words.

You brought a smile to my face remembering. Yes, today we certainly have stepped through the looking glass into an opposite reality yet it feels familiar.

get the red out

(13,462 posts)
4. I was very young
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:29 PM
Apr 2013

When the Viet Nam war ended I remember asking my Dad if Walter Cronkite would still be on at 6:30, I seriously didn't think there would be nightly news without THE WAR.

Reagan was President when I entered college; I remember just knowing that I did not like most of my generation, too many of them lacked any sort of depth of emotion or thought. So many seemed like plastic, two dimensional people. I certainly wasn't superior to anyone, I had problems out the ass, big ones! Any of them would be ashamed to have been me, but I couldn't have imagined being a lot of them, it was like part of them was turned off if it ever existed at all.

I'm 48, so my mostly plastic generation is running a lot of stuff now. Bad news. There hasn't been much depth added to many of these characters, and I am willing to bet the most shallow = the most "successful" as our current paradigm views success.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
6. Only now we have big brother for real.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:56 AM
Apr 2013

Along w/technology that can immediately turn one into a pauper w/a keystroke. Not to mention the 24/7/365 multiple news (propaganda) cycle constantly running w/only the "news" they want us to see. And our air, food & water have been compromised.

I was a teen in the late '60's/early '70's. I remember them well.
Who thought then we'd look back on them as "the good ole' days".

mntleo2

(2,535 posts)
8. We did not learn from our history ...
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:50 AM
Apr 2013

...we tried to start a new way of living and then forgot its tenants. We had amazing leaders who we did not listen to ~ even after they gave their lives because of their message. Instead we beatified them and put them up as examples to forget. Robert Kennedy comes to mind here who left his rich background and went to the lettuce fields that literally left him on his knees in tears because of its poverty. At that time Caesar Chavez was beginning to speak to the injustice of the labor conditions there and Robert heard him. It was one of the reasons that inspired his run for president. After MLK and Kennedy were killed it was as if a vacuum formed and it became the time to forget the ideals we began in the '60s

Instead we ignored Kennedy, MLK, Malcolm X and so many others who saw the injustices and instead floundered with the formation of "yuppies" who only wanted to drink old wine and go to Europe, make a lot of money, delay their parenting years until their 40s and then sign up for expensive "kindergarten college" before their children were born.

During that time as a young single mom, I went the opposite way of my generation and did not want consumption to be my main focus. I was with the ones who were still speaking about injustice in the 1990s but was snickered at because I was "too idealistic". My path was different than my generation because I had spent time with African American elders from the Old South, the "boat people" from Vietnam, the Hispanic communities forming in my city, the Chinese and Japanese Americans who had come to this country before my people. I learned a great deal about the past that is affecting us today because their suffering and struggles told me that my own family background was not too different ~ although I had some very racist relatives who refused to mingle or listen to them.

Raised as a Christian I communed with people of other faiths and found a God that strengthened my own faith inspiring a book of poetry (not published) that I called, "Looking for a Familiar God". Even though I was poor and not college educated I read voraciously so that I could talk with a nuclear physicist, a young person raised in the ghetto, a teacher, a pioneer in the computer "geek" field, a botanist, an astronomer, rock and classical musicians, actors, to discuss theology with leaders of faith in the Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and my own Christian communities. I knew the blues player Robert Cray when he was a street musician sitting on the curb with his guitar case opened for change, I met a jazz singer, Esther Phillips whose amazing performances included a sung back-and-forth conversation with her audience. I sat with her between her sets and she was full of love and wisdom tainted by a hard life that brought her fleeting fame. She predicted I was pregnant with my son when I had been married for 8 years and did not think it was possible. Those few hours with her were life changing because her fading youth, her eyes holding all she had seen, her insight as to who I was after only a few minutes of knowing me, her camaraderie with me woman-to-woman and her trust of me as a white woman even though I was probably a symbol of all she suffered. She died in NYC a year later of a heroin overdose.

The most ironic thing I see with my generation is that all those yuppies who bought their fancy homes and cars, whose homes had expensive Persian rugs woven by the tiny fingers of a 4 year old chained to their looms and with plastic containers of things that now create entire islands in our oceans, whose jobs were "important" laughed at the likes of those like me and considered us "wasting our time". They are now in the same economic condition I have been in all along. They rejected the union movements our grandparents died to create and are now all surprised that all they accumulated is gone because they did not listen to their grandparents and parents whose lives were comfortable because of the work for better conditions of employment and access to education that came before us. Not only are they old, they sucked the resources right out of the ground and there isn't anything left for them ~ or their children. It is not as if they did not have powerful and quite wise leaders, but instead of heeding what these leaders had to say, they built statues and made holidays to "celebrate" them and then turned their backs on what they had been told.

No longer am I bitter, I am proud about what I saw and lived, because I tried to listen to my elders. Sadly, now all that was warned is coming to fruition. I see a new generation who are listening to my leader's call for justice. They are our hope, they are the ones who will begin to rebuild what my generation tore down. I remember my grandfather telling me this would come. He told me that we would have to begin from the bottom up if my generation did not make sure what he and his generation had built would remain and if we built upon it instead of destroy it. I almost did not believe it until I watched ~ and lived ~ with the destruction of my generation has done to all my grandparent's generation had tried to create.

Recently I met a group of young rap singers from NYC. They are Latino and their message is poetic, compelling and powerful. Their group is called "Rebel Diaz" http://www.rebeldiaz.com. I am from a generation whose parents were shocked at Elvis Presley's "swivel hips" which I did not understand was so shocking as I had *no* idea about the hint of sexuality he was sharing. So many of my parent's generation who had fought WWII, also fought us because we wore long hair and dressed "like hippies". At 60, I sat and listened to this young group of people who were so intelligent, so talented, and so energetic who are speaking truth to power. I was not shocked as my generation often is at the reality these young people try to convey, nope, I was impressed and encouraged. Now I listen to their music in my car and smile to myself because well ...grandmas aren't supposed to like such things.

We live in Seattle and my Latino sons, who are themselves trying to rap, told me about these NYC youth, "They are East Coast Rappers, can't you hear it in their work?" No I cannot hear that because I am not so hip as they are to this music. But I did not care whether or not they are "East Coast" , actually I just like what they had to say ~ and I like many of my kids' "West Coast" rapping as well. I told them that whether or not is is "East Coast" or "West Coast" the important thing is the message, the awesome poetry, the passion that they give to us. I guess it supposedly matters to them which coast it comes from as to what is "better", but these young people in Rebel Diaz came from where rap began and sat at the knee of the pioneers of rap. My kids have to agree that this is important all right ~ so for once maybe I "knew" as much as they did about the history of rap, lol.

My view of the '60s is wistful and kind of sad because my generation did not listen to the powerful movement that fizzled mainly because of greed, IMO. To me this greed has fomented what we see today. I am very sad that my kids and their kids will have to struggle to re-make what we destroyed. Because our resources are being hoarded by a few and they now have the power, I wonder if these kids will ever achieve what my parents enjoyed and if they will die trying. All I can do is try to teach them about the past, knowing full well they will not listen until they get wiser, because this is what my generation also did. If my old yuppie friends are not dead because of their over-consumption, they now say, "What happened? We worked so hard! We had so much! What was my life all about? Now we do not have anything after all we did to accumulate this stuff ..." While they have been so dummass about the emptiness of their lives, I still hope they are getting the picture. Although it is too late for us to change what we have made, it is not too late for us to tell our youth so they can learn from our mistakes and teach them to channel their rage into creativity whether they be a musician, a garbage collector, making sandwiches for the downtown lunch crowd, as a physician, or an engineer.

My 2 cents,

Cat in Seattle

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