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Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:45 PM

I want to say goodbye to the wonderful people of this group.

I no longer feel that DU wants people like those who post in this group to continue to be members of this community. I was going to try to stay just to be able to say hello here every once in a while, but since realizing that we truly are not wanted here at DU3, that won't work. We don't deserve to be treated like second-class citizens.

This section from the DU3 Terms of Service says it all:

Don't go overboard with the crazy talk.

Democratic Underground is not intended to be a platform for kooks and crackpots peddling paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact. To accomodate our more imaginative members we tolerate some limited discussion of so-called "conspiracy theories" under the following circumstances: First, those discussions are not permitted in our heavily-trafficked Main forums; and second, those discussions cannot stray too far into Crazyland (eg: chemtrails, black helicopters, 9/11 death rays or holograms, the "New World Order," the Bilderbergers, the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission, the Freemasons, alien abduction, Bigfoot, and the like). In addition, please be aware that many conspiracy theories have roots in racism and anti-semitism, and Democratic Underground has zero tolerance for bigoted hate speech. In short, you take your chances.


DU2 had the following:

Do not post anything bigoted/insensitive.

When discussing certain topics -- especially those relating to each human being's unique personal identity -- DU members have a responsibility to show greater understanding and sensitivity. To help promote a welcoming atmosphere for all of our members, the moderators are empowered to remove any post that they deem insensitive. Such topics include, but are not limited to: race or ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or gender identity, religious believers or non-believers, Jews or Judaism, Muslims or Islam, geographic region or place of origin, disability (mental or physical), weight or other physical characteristics, or age. Moderators may also remove any post using insensitive terminology (eg: 'cocksucker,' 'pink tutu,' 'bitch,' 'whore,' 'retard,' etc.).


What a change...

I'm off to change my password to a random value so this is permanent. We do have a group on Facebook if anyone wants to join us.






Lurking skeptics/atheists, agnostics, etc.: I'm sure you'll have great fun with this thread. Have at it...




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Reply I want to say goodbye to the wonderful people of this group. (Original post)
I Have A Dream Jan 2012 OP
elleng Jan 2012 #1
kimmerspixelated Jan 2012 #2
FirstLight Jan 2012 #7
NuttyFluffers Jan 2012 #36
Habibi Jan 2012 #3
rbnyc Jan 2012 #4
elleng Jan 2012 #17
Howler Jan 2012 #5
Ricochet21 Jan 2012 #6
MagickMuffin Jan 2012 #8
FirstLight Jan 2012 #11
MagickMuffin Jan 2012 #20
FirstLight Jan 2012 #23
MagickMuffin Jan 2012 #26
MorningGlow Jan 2012 #9
japple Jan 2012 #10
get the red out Jan 2012 #45
Lucinda Jan 2012 #12
Celebration Jan 2012 #13
Ricochet21 Jan 2012 #18
villager Jan 2012 #27
LaurenG Jan 2012 #34
get the red out Jan 2012 #46
katty Jan 2012 #74
Celebration Jan 2012 #14
rosesaylavee Jan 2012 #15
Kind of Blue Jan 2012 #21
Tess49 Jan 2012 #25
Kind of Blue Jan 2012 #31
Tess49 Jan 2012 #49
glinda Jan 2012 #50
Kind of Blue Jan 2012 #59
glinda Jan 2012 #65
Melissa G Jan 2012 #16
OneGrassRoot Jan 2012 #19
findrskeep Jan 2012 #22
Sweet Freedom Jan 2012 #24
Tsiyu Jan 2012 #28
rosesaylavee Jan 2012 #66
Tsiyu Jan 2012 #67
rosesaylavee Jan 2012 #68
aquarius venus Jan 2012 #71
Why Syzygy Jan 2012 #73
kneedeepinthehoopla Jan 2012 #77
Sanity Claws Jan 2012 #29
OneGrassRoot Jan 2012 #32
glinda Jan 2012 #51
mntleo2 Jan 2012 #69
Why Syzygy Jan 2012 #70
Mist Jan 2012 #30
LaurenG Jan 2012 #33
NuttyFluffers Jan 2012 #35
BlueIris Jan 2012 #42
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kentauros Jan 2012 #38
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Why Syzygy Jan 2012 #44
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glinda Jan 2012 #52
murielm99 Jan 2012 #53
southerncrone Jan 2012 #54
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FirstLight Jan 2012 #57
Rainbow Sunrise Jan 2012 #56
rosesaylavee Jan 2012 #58
Rainbow Sunrise Jan 2012 #60
justiceischeap Jan 2012 #61
RainbowSuperfund Jan 2012 #62
Remember Me Jan 2012 #63
kimmerspixelated Jan 2012 #64
NuttyFluffers Jan 2012 #72
NJCher Jan 2012 #75
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snot Jan 2012 #78
Celebration Jan 2012 #79
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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:57 PM

1. Please stay around, I Have.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:33 PM

2. Please stay. This is a shock.

I am wondering if we can change their terms if we band together. There must be something we can do. OR...just stay and enjoy what we have.. As long as they don't hassle us...isn't it okay?I'm glad you posted the terms. I had no idea..They must think we're harmless enough or we wouldn't be here, right? I don't know. I certainly know how you feel, but please, please stay.

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Response to kimmerspixelated (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:52 PM

7. +100

however, i think the censorship is only going to get worse
I mentioned a few months ago that we needed a contingency plan for ASAH because it could get weird over here...and it seems to look like it is going that way. I too am here less and less...

OGR started a forum on Wishadoo for us too...try PMing her

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 09:51 AM

36. Wishadoo is a great alternative to Facebook! good thinking!



that sounds like a good emergency plan.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:42 PM

3. I don't want you to go, but I understand.

I'm hanging out here less and less myself.

Could someone PM me the FB group info? I'd like to join.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:50 PM

4. I think if that were really true...

...they would have eliminated this group.

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Response to rbnyc (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:41 PM

17. Good point, rb.

NOT directed at anything this group does/has done/says.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:51 PM

5. No No! :(

I really wish you would'nt do this IHAD!
Please give it time!!!! D.U.3 hasnt gelled yet. Its still a work in progress.

but If you absolutely feel that you have too. I'll see you in the group on facebook.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:51 PM

6. I don't want you to go

but I understand too.
You'll be sorely missed.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 08:54 PM

8. I addressed my concerns to Skinner I posted my PM to him and his response

Last edited Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Subject/Title TOS: about the crazy talk and what is deemed crazy

Skinner: I think it is obvious that the TOS is referring to kooky conspiracy theories involving the Freemasons.

> The TOS mentions Freemasons, what exactly is crazy about a fraternal organization?
>
> I am an AMORC Rosicrucian student / member, does that imply that I am also considered a crazytowner??
>
> Is Mysticism also off limits? Or is it only allowed in the different groups on spirituality?
>
> How will I know whether or not I would be considered crazy by my belonging to a fraternal organization?
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> If someone is a Freemason does that mean that they are not allowed to talk about being a Freemason or Freemasons in general?
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> Just thought I should ask for clarification on what is considered crazy talk or crazytown.
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> Look forward to your response.
>
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> Best Regards,
MagickMuffin


I understand how the TOS reads as if we are not wanted here. However, I believe that the admins just don't want DU to be viewed as a place that condones Conspiracies Theories. Having interests in Mysticism, Astrology, and the Super Natural is not CT material. I haven't sent much time posting as you are well aware of my reasons for being apprehensive in doing so. However, if I feel inclined to do so I will always have that chance.

I hope you will reconsider your position and stick around. But I value whatever decision you make, and perhaps we can still communicate through email or Wishadoo.

Take Care my Friend.




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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:48 PM

11. did he reply yet? nt

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:58 PM

20. Yes, he did

And I edited my post to reflect Skinner's response which I put in bold text.

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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:07 AM

23. I am not liking his tone/responses

to any of these threads, etc...
he is being very curt, and really vague as far as i am concerned...because things others consider kooky would be fine here. He did not say that our little group was exempt from that kind of scrutiny. Like the Matthew messages, they talk about illuminatiu...just because I kind of take that in myself with a grain of salt, is one thing...if I get caught talking about matthew messages in another forum, will i get whacked?

seriously, i was in GD this weekend, and someone brought up Matthew messages...nothing specific, but I was worried about saying I read them too because of the woo content...

*sigh*

time for us to find our ASAH contingency plan, as I said....

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 02:50 AM

26. While I did find it rather a bit snarky

it really isn't up to me how decisions are made.

I will probably stay a member until my star status lasts. I don't have the funds to contribute to DU, so my days are numbered.

I still don't plan on joining facebook, even though someone who I really admire is wanting me to join. Perhaps I will change my mind at some point but for now I don't plan on it.

I will always be a Wishadooaler, and we can still meet-up over there.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:22 PM

9. *Sigh*

Aw, Dream. Rick is right--don't want you to go, but understand why. Maybe you can just leave your account open and valid, just in case--? I told you once that I considered you the heart of ASAH, and I stand by that. Don't know what will happen if you're gone.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:22 PM

10. Dear IHAD, this place will never be the same again.

When I first started coming here in earlier years, there were several people who were always around to help the newbies. You were one of those, together with Nancy, Desert Rose, Stella, Metta, Rick, and others. Many thanks for all you have contributed to ASAH over the years, for your sage advice, your brilliance, and your friendship. I'll see you around in other forms/forums unless they go totally bonkers (which, given timelines, is not out of the realm of possibilities). But in any event, you've carved out a place in my heart and I will always look for you there, dear friend.

Peace & Love,
japple

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Response to japple (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:55 PM

45. +100000

I am sad.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:56 PM

12. I'm not sure how you are able to equate political conspiracy theories

to ASAH subject matter? As far as I know the elements of freemasonry that are being referred to there are the conspiracy theory oriented secret sect things and not the basic elements of the organization. Perhaps I am missing the connection that you are making?

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:23 PM

13. although the connection may seem tenuous

It has to do with the general attitude of things out of the mainstream. I do get the feeling that this group, though tolerated barely here, isn't exactly embraced.

Plus this place (ASAH) seems to be a safe haven for all kinds of otherwise "kooky" ideas. We tend to be more accepting of fringe ideas in general, because our ideas are on the fringe. I don't really buy into a lot of stuff posted here, but learn from it anyway. I assume that a lot of people don't really get what I talk about. But we are all respectful.

One time someone knew to come here and post that they witnessed the Chicago Airport UFO incident. They didn't feel comfortable posting it anywhere else on DU. And this was at least a month before it hit the news. It was really cool!

I don't think Skinner has a nuanced view of "conspiracy theories" as we have here. In fact, we are basically ALL nuance.

I also think there may be some other agenda at play here...........with the DU3 thing. There may be strings behind the players calling the shots. Or could they be thinking about selling it????? Not sure.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:42 PM

18. yup

You got that right

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Response to Celebration (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 05:13 AM

27. Well put. Not much room for "nuance," really, on the new DU3. It's a fairly mainstream site now.

 

Alas.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:56 PM

46. GD

I don't even think you could admit to taking a multi-vitamin anywhere else but ASAH and not get slammed.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:32 PM

74. for the most part I concur with your observations...and I do get the sense that they want to

sell DU off, making it a part of a larger media net presence-and this is where sites like these (that are often quoted, ref to, have a certain respect level and rep in other bigger media groups ) often morph into as the next stage. I was working at a music internet co in early 00's and eventually they found a big buyer and continued to operate in a bigger pond.
-look at what Huffington Post did (that was the end game for Arianna H anyway, build it up and then sell it off)
My sense is that the DU owners will sell, or are in the first stages of entertaining bids for the site. It's a very good site and it does have street cred and real presence now).
Best of luck to you!
Katty

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:24 PM

14. Goodbye IHAD



Definitely we will all have to start using the Facebook group more!

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:31 PM

15. You were the heart of ASAH

and I don't think I will stay around much either.

We do have the Facebook group for anyone interested in continuing our discussions there.

I feel very very sad that DU3 has become this thing that is so unrecognizable.

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Response to rosesaylavee (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:09 PM

21. You speak for me, Dear Rosesaylavee.

IHAD is the heart of this group and her calming spirit really made this a welcoming place.

I just don't feel right in this DU3 and was not liking DU2 anymore, for that matter. I've tried to adjust but don't feel this where I want my energy.

Thank goodness for our group at FB 'cause I'd surely miss the community I've found here at ASAH.

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Response to rosesaylavee (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:47 AM

25. How do I find the facebook group?

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Response to Tess49 (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:50 AM

31. HI, Tess49.

I'm not sure how to do so directly but I know the first step is you have to be friends with someone in the group. As for the first step, if you want and let me know, I can PM my name at FB, friend me and then I'll check with more knowledgeable members for the next step. I'm sure you don't have to keep the friend status once you join FB-ASAH

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:16 AM

49. Thanks for this offer. I'd like to see what this group is about.

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Response to Tess49 (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:49 AM

50. me too! me too! This is really sad we are loosing people. I do think

that DU3 is causing people to walk on pins and needles. There seems to be less "laughter" actually. Less free discussion. Far from me to actually understand the real reason why but I hope to stick around a bit to see how this evolves..... and of course, visit other sites to see if I feel more comfortable.....

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Response to glinda (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 02:30 PM

59. I'm sorry to reply so late, Glinda!

But I just saw that you are over there!!! YAY!!!

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:30 PM

65. hehe. I was looking for the "like" button.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:32 PM

16. So sorry to see you or anyone else here go,

I mourn DU2 and hope the new site revises enough that old folks will stay or come back.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:55 PM

19. ...





You're an angel.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:48 PM

22. You'll be missed IHAD...

I completely understand as the energy here is very different. I'm not around as much as I used to be either. I'm hoping it will get better and I hope you will reconsider. Everything is changing it seems...and try as I may, it's not always easy to embrace. See you on FB

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:42 AM

24. Oh, IHAD

I had wondered where you have been. I fear this is the beginning of the end of our group. Can you please pm me the fb group info if you have a chance?

Thank you for everything. I'm not sure how I would have gotten through some days without you.

(I always hate full moons. )

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 06:35 AM

28. IHAD..NO!!!!


This is not a happy moment in ASAH.

The way I read the new TOS, the "kookiness" won't be tolerated in the Main forums. These groups are different.

Seriously, one can view mainstream Judeo-Christian mythology as "kookie." The virgin birth, resurrection, bread is flesh and wine is blood are examples of "wackiness" and many athiest/agnostic DUers will openly say as much. I have even been callous enough to say as much, back when I was rotten and snarkier.

But there are still Christian groups here. And many, many, many DUers identify as Christian, Catholic, Jewish, etc. on the Main forums. I doubt Skinner would let anyone disrupt in their groups.

The idea of groups is to have "refuges" where out-of-the-mainstream ideas are discussed and entertained. I seriously don't see that changing for the ASAH group with the new TOS.

Skinner has never bothered this group and we have been (mostly) free of disruptors here, so I hope you will reconsider.

I really do.....we all love you IHAD ((((((((((((((((IHaveADream))))))))))))))




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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:43 PM

66. If you peer down the thread here

there is a post that's been 'hidden by jury' for using a forbidden word and subject so ASAH here has new limits on what can be discussed openly. And that poster's posting rights have been revoked (aka TSd).

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Response to rosesaylavee (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 04:13 AM

67. Can you PM me with the"forbidden topic"?



I assumed that was a disruptor, missed their post before it was hidden.

Thanks

T


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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 02:05 PM

68. it's post Reply #47

and you can read the post if you click on the link there 'show'. I am a bit paranoid about mentioning any of the specific words mentioned in the TOS, even on PM here. Crazy times here.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:15 PM

71. Before you ASSume something about it...

 

Try not to label it with the Orwellian-speak. What is "disrupting?" Not parroting what others say? I am a proud conspiracy theorist. I am also a blunt person. I don't mince my words. And I just read in GD about the new ID for the Internet. I mean: WTF???

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Response to aquarius venus (Reply #71)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 03:52 PM

73. less than an hour..

What's up with that? Transparency page reads, "Troll" as reason for your short incarnation. Do you agree with that label?

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #73)

Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:39 PM

77. No I do not!

 

'Troll' implies that I am just here to dick people around. No, I am here to enlighten folks. But I see the futility in it and will be ceasing to bother shortly.

It really doesn't matter anyhow. Everyone will understand this someday; I just didn't want it to be the hard way! This site was supposedly created to combat a creeping destructive element within the former administration. Now I wonder what is its purpose. Axing people for saying something which you feel is crazy or sheer nonsense is totally unfair and undemocratic.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:22 AM

29. I am so sorry to hear this

IHAD,
I always thought of you of as an unofficial leader of this group. I really regret that you feel the need to leave.
As for FB, I have a page but am not really active. I'd like to stay in touch. Can you or someone else send me an email so I can connect with the ASAH'ers on FB?

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 09:03 AM

32. I will. :) n/t

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:54 AM

51. I think I was asked into the Wishadoo one.... but not the FB one. Can you PM me with a link?

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Response to glinda (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 09:09 PM

69. Please PM Me too n/t :o(((((((((

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Response to mntleo2 (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 09:42 PM

70. It would be great..

I hope you join us at facebook, Cat. We need you

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 08:39 AM

30. IHAD--I'm sorry--you've been a continuous wise presence in this forum, and would be sorely

missed. Can you think of just keeping a toe in, just to check up on what's going on? Though I certainly understand your reasons for wanting to leave DU3 behind--I think many of us are put off by the changes and the seeming narrowness of "allowed" subjects.

I too would love to have the facebook connection--can someone pm me?

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Tue Jan 10, 2012, 09:49 AM

35. i understand. i believe DU3 to be a failed experiment already.

it's too poisonous already, with no outlet for the endless pissing matches except for tyranny of the ban-happy passive-aggressives. i'm just here to watch it burn from the sidelines. sometimes it's instructional to watch something beautiful die. a pity this...

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Response to NuttyFluffers (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:48 PM

42. Same thoughts here.

Epic fail, actually. And it is a pity.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 09:52 AM

37. Thank you for your many years of loyal service to this group, I Have.

Your generosity with me personally has really helped me with my writing, my spiritual life and my understanding of myself.

I am very sorry you will not be with us anymore, but I understand completely. All best in your future work on your Path and in helping others find their own.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 10:13 AM

38. I'm sorry to see you leave, IHAD, though I fully understand.

I find myself having to "temper" my thoughts as to what is allowed or what's likely to get a post removed or worse. I'd sure like to know why they decided to be so strict. What changed on their end to make it that way?

I guess we'll cross paths elsewhere, though maybe not on FB. I'm just glad you were around to cross paths with here!

By the way, the atheists/septics have lost one of their own recently, and for a related reason (mostly upset with the jury system and its results.) So, it's affecting the entire spectrum...

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 10:25 AM

39. Best Wishes.

I am sorry you've lost heart here. ASAH is an unique part of DU. It is where we are able to show true kindness & acceptance. Just because I do not post a lot does not mean I do not get ongoing inspiration from every one of you here. If you have to go, please know you have made your mark here.
Fair winds, always.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:44 PM

40. Please stay!

 

ASAH is a special place, and you're a big part of it.

The world needs empathy and love. DU needs it.

Without people like us, DU would be a colder place.


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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:02 PM

41. Oh no, I'll miss you

I don't post too much, but have always enjoyed reading your posts-which has been for a long time. I understand and respect your decision.

This place isn't quite the same lately, I agree. For example, this new jury system is getting silly, imho I get tagged alot and am becoming increasingly irritated by the petty alerts. I think it's because the "ignore" button is hidden beside the poster's name...

I'm also one who'd like info on the FB ASAH group because even though we're "words on the screen", I enjoy our group here!

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:50 PM

43. :_(

oh.

If anyone not on the facebook group who wants to be, PM me and I'll send you the link or add you to the group. It's a non-public group so I think someone who's already a member can add new members.

Also, I've been checking out some other progressive forums (leftunderground and oldelmtree) and see some 'old' DU members there. Any other recommendations?

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:54 PM

44. If

If one is going to indulge in 'crazy talk', the only appropriate way is OVERBOARD!

No such thing as a little bit of 'crazy talk'. Is there ..

Seriously. It's absurd.

No problem at facebook. We can go as overboard on the crazy talk as befits.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 02:28 PM

48. I'd like to remind everyone here that

does not care for FB, Wishadoo has an ASAH and one only needs to PM OGR or (if unable to PM d/t memberships/star requirements) you can go to Wishadoo and request membership there as it is a private group.

I am on both and the FB one is pretty active. I miss some of our members that have reservations about FB, so would like more action on Wishadoo then.

I have severely curtailed my time here, maybe check in once a week to ASAH. I feel very badly about some people that have been cut out for what seems to me to be arbitrarily reasons (rules selectively added and enforced). You guys (ASAH) to me have been the best part of this place. There are some other members on the greater board that don't post here that I really like and I hope to see them again soon but there are other places to find them I guess. I also am not enamored of the stranglehold two parties have on our political system so I am not fitting in anyway in the greater mission of what is now DU. Knowing what it is and what it is not is probably important in releasing anger and feelings of injustice (and saving a few pennies as well).

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:55 AM

52. By!!!!!!!! I hope to find you again!

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:10 AM

53. I wish you would stay.

I hate it when this happens.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 05:21 AM

54. I'll be following you out the DU door, IHAD......

completely understand your actions.

I've felt betrayed by DU3 since its inception. My Scorpio intuition tells me there is more to it than meets the eye. Believe that is why so many of us here in ASAH have had strong reservations about it......we sense an ulterior motive. What it is, I don't know. I just know I don't like the feeling. I've become less & less interested in politics of late for some reason.....maybe it's the total polarization we are experiencing in this country now. The nastiness is so bad, you could cut it w/a knife. I simply don't want to play in that type of sandbox.

DU3 feels like a "business" now.....a very clinical feel. My perception is we've been divided into segments to negate our power. But why? Perhaps it will all become clear at a later date.

Will always feel a close & special attachment to all here at ASAH. Y'all have made the transitions of the last few years almost enjoyable.....for that I will be forever thankful.

I may check in here on occasion, but it will be a rare occurrence.


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Response to southerncrone (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:51 AM

55. come now, we both know about the "why" regarding new feel, 'compartmentalization,' and purpose...

it's the permission to express dissent that's being suppressed. hence the experiment for this site's new direction -- in accord to its historical purpose -- has already died. yet its new purpose is carrying on, albeit haltingly. but even this last bit is for naught; the tentacles may have reached far, but the maintenance is becoming too expensive. welcome to the last thrashings of the 1%...

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Response to NuttyFluffers (Reply #55)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:05 PM

57. yes...

I am really noticing it too...hardly ever go into GD anymore...it's no fun. I can;t handle all the talk about the rethugs and ron paul, and I've noticed a serious decline in OWS posts ..feels like the PTB are behind the whole thing...

so ya, we will see eachother in Wishadoo... I am sure

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:56 AM

56. WOW!!!

Be away for a couple of days and a whole lot happens. I'm really sorry to hear all of this! IHAD, you may not recognize me right now because I've had a couple of aliases. But, I have been in this group since 2006 and you have always been so nice and helpful to me and everyone here. It will be hard coming here without your presence. I was actually wondering where you were.

Your absence will definitely be notice and your presence missed.

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Response to Rainbow Sunrise (Reply #56)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:10 PM

58. come to facebook... or wishadoo

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Response to rosesaylavee (Reply #58)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 02:33 PM

60. Thanks

I just registered @ wishadoo. Now, how do I find you all on facebook? And, I can't pm anyone because I don't have enough posts, evidently.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:35 PM

61. As an atheist, I have to say

Sad to see you go but I understand the inclination.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:52 PM

62. Wow, a big difference.

The difference between the two is astounding, kind of a mean spirited evolution, like Rahm Emanuel left pods (ala Invasion of the Body Snatchers) in the basement . Check the basement for pods before you go to sleep tonight, ASAH, And Stay kind.

You guys are the heart and soul of DU as far as I am concerned, and if there is another site where this group can feel comfortable to share and be themselves, I'd like to be part of that. I won't waste my time or money on a DU without you.

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:16 PM

63. Your absence will do

 

nothing to improve this place.

I'd certainly support you if you definitely decide to leave, but why not just give yourself a break for a while and see how that works?

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Response to Remember Me (Reply #63)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 07:12 PM

64. Oh yes, complete agreement..

C'Mon, We love you.

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Response to Remember Me (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:57 PM

72. that'd normally work from DU2, but a wholly different world view has been implicitly instated.

obedience will be the rule of the day. speak carefully, allude regularly, and welcome to the new order...

so yes i agree, take a break... and see you on wishadoo or other sites not benighted with such "modern enlightenment."

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:35 AM

75. very disappointing news

I think you should reconsider, IHAD. You are a much valued member here.


Cher

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:42 AM

76. Also

In regard to the comments about ASAH being considered fringe-crazy and also in regard to Skinner's answer, let's remember one thing, and I hope I don't sound sexist here. This place is run by three guys. Now it is true we have some outstanding males who understand our type of thing: Richochet, people like James Van Pragh, etc. But for the most part, guys are not real into psychic stuff, dreams, etc.

Maybe we can chalk some of this up to "fish out of water."


Cher

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Response to I Have A Dream (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:44 AM

78. There's at least one compelling reason to stay:

to try to help get the rule changed.

I'm pretty sure I understand the concerns that led to the new rule, but I think it's a mistake. It's one thing to limit actions based on beliefs we consider wacko; it's another thing to limit speech.

I don't believe in chem trails, but I consider them a lot more plausible than that Jesus was the literal son of a god and literally, physically ascended into heaven, etc. Is discussion of Jesus outlawed, too? Who gets to decide?

DU is a tremendous place and has given rise to a great deal of good. It's up to us to help get it back on track when it goes off, just like it's up to us figure out how to push our government back on track.

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Response to snot (Reply #78)

Mon Jan 16, 2012, 09:45 AM

79. I think what people objected to most

Was that the action seemed very high handed and authoritarian. Most of us don't like to be herded around. That's one reason that the image of Jesus as our shepherd and the rest of us as sheep just never sat well with me.

Of course, I am a Scorpio.

I wonder what Skinner's sign is.

I'm staying here for now................Again, I have a feeling that they are making preparations to try to sell the site to some sort of mainstream organization. Just a hunch, though.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #79)

Mon Jan 16, 2012, 12:06 PM

80. A thought just occurred to me

Why was the last donation week called the "last" one? Is that because they knew it was being sold?

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Response to Proud_Lefty (Reply #80)

Mon Jan 16, 2012, 12:39 PM

81. Because the payment system is switching

from fund drives to membership fees. When your star comes up for renewal, you pay $40-something for the year if you want to keep your star and the membership perks it provides. But if you don't want to pay the yearly fee, you can still post in groups (new policy, different from DU2).

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Response to Proud_Lefty (Reply #80)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:11 PM

85. Yeah, I was wondering the same thing???

Someone, probably the other side or the middle side has bought them out. Money talks....it was probably, "an offer they can't refuse". Or similar...

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Response to Celebration (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:39 AM

82. wow, hm; can't believe that never occurred to me.

I think I need to look into who owns DU.

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Response to snot (Reply #82)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 09:05 AM

83. well, Skinner, et al own it

Think about the steps he has taken--he is lightening his administrative overload (automated jury system); he is minimizing the chances that a few random posters lower the value of his product. Someone pointed out that some weird posts about Haarp causing the Indonesian tsunami were quoted in the NY Times once, and he had to deal with that. He sure doesn't want anything like that to happen again if he wants to sell it. So, in part at least, I get it!

When it comes to building up businesses, I am pretty well in alignment with capitalism, and more power to them for their success. The issue is, with me, I would generally rather seek out the truly "underground."

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Response to Celebration (Reply #83)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:37 PM

84. yup, agree-this site is different now, quite dull-hardly an 'underground' anymore - he probably

did get hassled a bit-it has become a very sanitized operation.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #83)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:06 AM

86. Why not offer to sell it to us members?

Wouldn't we all be much better off if it were run as a coop?

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