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Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:37 PM

 

healing light, energy, prayers for Algiers please

I've been unable to be here much lately due to broken pc in repair shop. Am posting this from a library.

Some of you have followed the ups and downs of my various critters, including Algiers, my coming 27 year old arabian gelding whom I rescued from starvation some 22 years ago.

He started showing signs of some problems a couple weeks ago. It was on again, off again. Then last Saturday, didn't eat his breakfast. He's been in steady decline since then. I called the vet Monday when normal emergency treatment didn't fix the problem. Vet was out Wednesday, dentist yesterday and vet again today. The vet was insisting he wasn't colicking, but finally decided to give colic treatment today as a "palliative," along with taking blood to check his chemistries.

The bottom line is either he was colicky and that stopped him from eating and drinking, getting him dehydrated and more colicky... or he is going into major organ shutdown.

Please help send energy for my boy to either recover or to have a peaceful passage. Energy please to me to have the strength to be there for him if I have to put him down....

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Reply healing light, energy, prayers for Algiers please (Original post)
magical thyme Jan 2012 OP
yellerpup Jan 2012 #1
BanzaiBonnie Jan 2012 #2
Howler Jan 2012 #3
MorningGlow Jan 2012 #4
OneGrassRoot Jan 2012 #5
Tumbulu Jan 2012 #6
Celebration Jan 2012 #7
BlueIris Jan 2012 #8
Mnemosyne Jan 2012 #9
magical thyme Jan 2012 #10
OneGrassRoot Jan 2012 #11
lildreamer316 Jan 2012 #12
Howler Jan 2012 #13
magical thyme Jan 2012 #14
BanzaiBonnie Jan 2012 #15
magical thyme Jan 2012 #16
RainbowSuperfund Jan 2012 #17

Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:43 PM

1. Lots of love and healing

to you and Algiers. My energy is with you.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 03:20 PM

2. I'm lighting a candle for you and yours

Sending all good your way.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 03:37 PM

3. OHHHHHHH!

Definitely sending major Healing to ALGIERS!!!!!

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 04:09 PM

4. Awwww love Algiers

MT, I feel as though I already know your beautiful boy from your posts about him here. Sending lots of love and light to you and to him. Hoping it was just the colick and that he'll be around for you many more years.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 04:30 PM

5. Bless your dear Algiers....

and you.



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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 05:15 PM

6. will do!

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:40 PM

7. Sending loads of love

To you two!

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:44 PM

8. ((( Algiers and Parent of Algiers ))) nt

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:01 PM

9. ...

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:19 PM

10. thank you all for your energy....

 

The good news is the colic treatment, which included pumping in oil, water and her pulling piles of dried little manure turds out of his butt by hand, gave him immense relief. He made it through the sub-zero temps comfortably under 3 layers of blankets. By yesterday he was eating slowly and steadily without painkillers. Still pooping only 2 piles/day (normal would be 12-14), but today it looks like the pooping is picking up speed and volume too. And bright eyed and cheery for the first time in a couple weeks.

The bad news is the chemistry labs show decreased liver function. Not enough to call cirrhosis, but liver fibrosis. So it's looking like he'll be with us on the earth plane for a while longer.

The annoying and frankly painful news is the bill. If the vet had just listened to me and done the colic treatment on Wednesday, it would have saved me several hundred dollars and him 2 more days of pain and weight loss.... Hopefully as she gets to know me better she'll trust me and listen more...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 05:06 PM

11. I am so glad he's improving...

Perhaps she'll work with you regarding the bill, since she didn't follow your advice. She'll hopefully trust your intuition and wisdom from now on.

Thanks for the update.



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Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 05:28 PM

12. Just saw this thread..

I'm glad he's better.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:29 PM

13. I'm so glad to hear Algiers is doing better1!!!

YAY!!!!!

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:01 PM

14. he's continuing on a positive path

 

Yesterday was scary. The temps rose to ~40 in the morning, so I had them both stripped of blankets before leaving for the library. They were happily on the sunny, sheltered side of the barn eating hay and snow. A short time later, an icy blast started in from the west. I got home to find them both in the barn, not eating. I got them blanketed and back out in the sheltered sun with hay, so they did get some hay and snow in before nighttime. (For reasons I cannot fathom, Algiers seems to prefer eating snow to drinking from a bucket, which is always available! )

Last night it was down to about 0. He didn't eat as much hay as the night before, drink as much water, or poop as much. I'm chalking the poop to not eating as much.

These 0 to 40 to 0 days are terrifying weather -- colic season and very hard for them to adjust to. That is what triggered Algiers' colic to begin with. The difference being that I was exhausted and sleeping most days due to being forced to work 3 12-hour overnight shifts in a week. At least now I'm home since they've cut my hours way back, so can respond to the changes more quickly if not realtime.

Today the wind is gone, thank goodness, and they've both been eating hay and snow pretty steadily since the sun was fully out at 8:30am. He even walked around and then trotted for 3 strides for no good reason other than he felt like it! The most energy I've seen from him in weeks

OGR, not a chance. We have had serious equine vet issues in the area since before I came here. I spent much of last week practically begging the vet to come out. I had the feeling she was trying to protect herself in case anything went wrong by making it "my fault." Then when she finally did come, she refused to give him colic treatment on the first visit, even though his symptoms were *classic* colic. This was not just my intuition: not eating, not pooping, stretching and looking at his side, twisting his side and straining when he did poop, and diminished gut sounds all point directly to colic. Every equine vet I have *ever* worked with or observed with others' horses over the last 50+ years would have given him the full treatment on or before Wednesday when he hadn't recovered following the weekend banamine treatment.

Then I overheard her (not eavesdropping, she opened the car window so I could hear the blow by blow) on the phone with another client, who was freaking out over a payment. The client said she was mailing copies, front and back, of the cancelled check plus her bank statement, to prove she'd made the payment.

That night I called my horse friend, Don, about whom I wrote last year when he was accused of starving his horses. I hadn't spoken to him since his court case, and its resolution wasn't published. But I knew this vet was one of the two involved in the case. I described Algiers' symptoms and his first response was "colic." I asked a couple questions regarding his case and this vet. It turns out that, on the witness stand, she claimed they had not been in phone consultation (he has always maintained he was) and *she was reluctant to come out to treat his horses because she was concerned about his ability to pay.* He assured me he always paid her on the spot and never owed her one dime.

What I already knew was that when she first moved to the area, Don championed her, suggested she hold an "open house," invited all the horse people he knew (including local big-barn owners), and that he plowed for her (sometimes in the middle of the night to make sure she was able to get out for emergencies) and did other work for her.

This vet is technically a good vet...but clearly does not return favors, let alone offer any.

Between her delays and requiring me to use her dentist (who cost double what my regular dentist would be) before she would initiate colic treatment, she doubled the cost of Algiers' treatment while prolonging his suffering and seriously increasing his risk of an agonized death. Colic is the 2nd leading killer of horses. I'm still trying to decide what to do for the future. I need a vet who is willing to respond reasonably and not use my suffering horse to soak me...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:29 PM

15. OM goodness. I don't know a lot about horses, but just in being in aquaintance with some...

I know those are classic colic symptoms.

Okay, let's find a new possibility here for vet care for your horses.


Our intention is that a new possibility presents itself.


PS I would be concerned over her insisting on "her" dentist that she is splitting an inflated fee. And in case she doesn't know, it's called a kickback. Immoral in my book even in case it's not illegal.


Wishing all the best for your two horse loves.

Bonnie

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Response to BanzaiBonnie (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:59 PM

16. she didn't directly insist I use her dentist

 

she just wouldn't give colic treatment that he clearly required until after I had a dentist look at him to rule out teeth as the problem.

My dentist lives far away and travels the entire state. Everybody makes their appointments months in advance and she schedules all the horses in a given area and en route together, then splits the call fee among us.

We were heading into a snow/ice storm. Her dentist is about 15 miles away and was available next day, which meant I could get Aligers' colic treatment sooner by calling her dentist. His life literally was at stake.

Because of her behavior up to that point, I also had concerns that if I did use my regular dentist, she would then claim that Jana isn't "good enough" and would still refuse to treat him for colic.

So everything is covert, by manipulation.

I doubt they split the fee *but* her dentist offered me a choice between a paste tranquilizer that he could administer *or* having the vet out to sedate him. In fact, he tried to pressure me into the latter; he felt quite certain that Algiers would be "too hot" for him to work on. I have injectable tranq that I can administer -- that is a *lot* cheaper, but that wasn't good enough for him

So she makes money off of him either way: a little with the very overpriced $35 prescription paste that she supplies, a lot if there is an additional call plus sedation. But neither is a classic "kick back." Just do it her way with your sick horse held hostage. I suspect that is exactly what Don found himself facing last year, and explains why he switched vets midstream. He couldn't afford her way and she wasn't repaying any of the favors he'd done for her.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 02:04 PM

17. I'm so glad to hear that Algiers is doing better.

Blessings on you both, and I am asking the universe to send you an excellent vet who is a good listener and inspired more confidence than the lady you are currently working with. <3

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