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Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:56 AM

 

St. Pius X society abandons unification, claims Francis spreading errors

by Joshua J. McElwee | Jun. 29, 2016

ROME A traditionalist group of Catholic bishops and priests that has been separated from the wider church for decades appears to have abandoned efforts to reunite with Rome, releasing a statement Wednesday that claims Pope Francis is encouraging the spreading of errors in church teaching.

The Society of St. Pius X, founded by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1970 mainly in opposition to the reforms of the Second Vatican Council, says now it "does not primarily seek a canonical recognition" from the Vatican for its continuing activities.

The society also says there is a "great and painful confusion that currently reigns in the Church" that "requires the denunciation of errors that have made their way into it and are unfortunately encouraged by a large number of pastors, including the Pope himself."

The statement, released on the society's website, seems to eliminate chances that the group might reunite with Rome. Popes have tried to repair relations over four decades.

http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/traditionalist-st-pius-x-society-abandons-unification-claims-francis-spreading-errors

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Response to rug (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:16 AM

1. They got to do what they got to do.

The Pius X bunch will find something wrong with what ever is said by ANY Pope, about ANYTHING. That is what they do. They will always be stuck in the 70s, and will always consider themselves victims. I hope that they find Peace and Salvation. They do not WANT to be part of the Catholic Church, and will always stand apart from it. They are what they are.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:04 AM

3. 1870s, that is.

 

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:45 AM

4. 1870 is about right.

When a person talks to some of today's "Christians", it is hard to tell if they have even read the New testament. It seems as if they are stuck in the Old Testament and want everyone to think as they do. As society in general is changing, the Church too must adapt. The basics will always be there. The Ten Commandments, The Golden Rule, The Trinity, Salvation. What must be looked at are the rules and customs that have been passed down over the years. Many of these were made in response to a need at some time in the past. It is not up to us to pass judgment on these rules, but it is up to us (The Magisterium) to review them and make changes as needed. There are many who will fight any change to the death. That is their choice, but not changing some of the old rules will result in a dying Church. The Church is not here to perpetuate the Hierarchy, It is here to serve the needs of the people. What I just said is heresy to many, but it is the Truth, and must be discussed if the Church is to survive and fulfill the mission that Christ gave it.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:39 PM

5. Brings to mind Acts 15

 

What you were saying brought to mind this part of Acts 15;

Since we have heard that some of us, whom we did not commission, have gone out and have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law,” it seemed good to us, being assembled in unity, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who will also speak to you, saying the same things. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to put on you no greater burden than these necessary things: Abstain from food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from strangled animals, and from blood. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell. (Acts 15:24-29)


I think what they're basically saying was converts didn't need to do all that extraneous stuff, that there's just a few things they needed to do. I think they recognized that if the faith didn't adapt, if they made it too difficult to become part of the new faith that Christ started then it wouldn't work out in the long run, that the faith wouldn't grow and spread without converts from outside of Judaism.

I think it's what some of the best Popes of the last 100 years saw - that the Catholic church was laying down to many heavy burdens that benefited no one and wasn't keeping up with the times. They saw that in order for the faith to survive it must adapt and dispense with the burdens that really didn't do anything good. Of course the conservative reactionaries have been trying to stop that from happening even before the Second Vatican Council. And now are throwing fits that there's a Pope in charge who at least wants to see some adaptation to modern times on the part of the church.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:41 PM

2. Oh well...

 

I hope the SSPX realizes that the Popes reached out to THEM and took a lot of flak for it from a lot of people all over the political spectrum. And if they want to slap that hand away it's all on them now.

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